Andrew,
I’m an avid reader and love to understand God and his revelation to us better. You might say that I’m an emergent preterist of sorts, though I still have "hesitations" about both "categories." Anyway, my friend Jared Coleman ( jaredcoleman.com) bought me a copy of your book (apparently it had to be shipped from the UK). Fascinating and very challenging. I have a few questions that came up from that reading. Some may be answered in posts you have made that I have not read, so I apologize (or apologise) for that.
1. If I understood you correctly, you believe in some future "final" resurrection of all people; some to eternal life, others to the final (second) death (which I understand personally as destruction). Those suffering for Christ during the 1st century "age-change" were resurrected early, and saw the parousia of the Lord. So, we today still have a hope of resurrection and eternal life (versus death/destruction) with God. Is that correct?
2. I really appreciated all the references to the prevailing cultural thought of the time (references to the pseudopigrapha, LXX, etc). I’m curious though. Most of Paul’s letters (apparently) were written to predominantly Gentile churches. In fact, it could be argued that the Revelation of John which was most immediately addressed to the seven churches of Asia were also predominantly Gentile churches. In such a setting, do you presume that part of the gospel story and "conversion" experience was being detailed on the Jewish scriptures and understandings? Otherwise, why would Paul and John use imagery and stories from Jewish background that have little meaning to non-Jews? Being Jewish, sure, it would influence their personal understandings and affect their speech, but your understanding of many of the passages presumes deep knowledge of Jewish liturature and eschatological tradition. This just seems… difficult to reconcile.
3. Paul talks a lot about the hope of resurrection (his comments as recorded in Acts, Rom, Corinthians, etc). It appears that he takes it very personally, and applied it generally. I’m curious to know your thoughts on the resurrection that Paul talks about, especially in I Cor 15, as I didn’t think that that was explictly addressed. (This is related to question 1).
God bless your efforts in the conversation. It was a challenging work where I honestly lost the narrative in the midst of the intellectual references, but I learned a lot from and look forward to rereading and studying more thoroughly.
Thank you,
Tony Haeufgloeckner

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Tony, thanks for the questions. Some of these matters have been discussed on OST but it’s not always easy to track things down - and in any case, it doesn’t hurt to think things through again.
1. Yes, that’s correct, though the phrase ‘eternal life’ still sounds a bit too disembodied to me. I think what it really signifies in the New Testament is the ‘life of the age to come’, which is the life in the Spirit that the people of God experiences now. In John’s vision the renewal of creation is preceded by a resurrection and judgment of all the dead; and those whose names are found written in the book of life are not destroyed and (presumably) participate in the new creation. But the emphasis is not so much on the fact that this existence is ‘eternal’ (in the common sense of the word) as that i) God is at the centre and ii) wickedness and death have been destroyed.
2. This is a very good question and not an easy one to answer. The focus of the book is on the ‘production’ of the ideas and beliefs that make up what we call New Testament eschatology, not on their reception. We have very little idea how these teachings were received by the early Gentile churches, though there is some indication that they were sometimes misconstrued (eg. 2 Thess. 2:1-2). Arguably it was precisely at this boundary between the Jewish and Gentile mindsets that the potential for misreading eschatology first emerged, not least because the Jewish Scriptures were not so well understood.
There is obviously nothing odd in thinking that Paul’s outlook on the future was fundamentally shaped by traditions of interpretation that had their origins in Jewish Scripture. The problem is whether his readers could have been expected correctly to decode his highly condensed formulations in the absence of that background knowledge.
The coherence and credibility of the argument from Scripture suggests to me that Paul must have believed that they had some sort of prior awareness of the biblical background that enabled them to make sense of his teaching. That prior knowledge may have come from direct reading of the Scriptures or from Jewish believers in their midst. But it may also have come from apostolic teaching traditions that were then only briefly summarized or alluded to in the letters. Paul often refers back to things he had taught when he was with them (2 Thess. 2:5 would be a pertinent example). This prior teaching is barely visible to us, but it may well have included the sort of detailed development of biblical motifs necessary to bridge the knowledge gap that you identify.
3. It seems to me that Paul entertained, as you say, an intensely personal hope of imitating Christ both in his sufferings and in his resurrection (COSM 102-106), and that he expected others to follow him in this (106-108) - in that sense he applies the personal hope generally. My argument in the book is that in 1 Cor. 15:23-26 he makes a distinction between the resurrection of Christ, the resurrection of those in Christ who suffer in him, and a final ‘event’ when every opposing power is defeated, including death, and the kingdom is handed over to God the Father (169-172). It is not made explicit here but my assumption is that at this final event there will be the resurrection of all the dead, just and unjust, that Paul mentions in Acts 24:15 (cf. Rev. 20:12). It is surely significant that there is no reference to a resurrection of the unjust or of all the dead for judgment in Paul’s parousia passages.
Personally, I would avoid using the word ‘preterist’. It’s too loaded a term and, perhaps more importantly, it tends to mark out eschatology as a separate category of New Testament thought. I prefer to characterize this way of reading the New Testament simply as ‘historically contextualized’, or something like that. We are learning to read every aspect of the New Testament narrative with greater sensitivity to how it follows the contours of history. Eschatology is simply the forward-looking dimension of that narrative.
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Thank you Andrew, for your thoughts. To be honest, it gives a good grounding to understanding the NT concept of parousia while still holding out the "hope" of future resurrection. When our Bible study went through "realized eschatology", that was a sticking point. Your understanding at least gives me another perspective and understanding that may not "pull the rug out from under" people, so to speak.
For me, it seems like the "apostle to the Gentiles" would connect with the Gentiles in terms they could understand. Granted, as I think most Christians see, it is impossible to separate the concepts of "Christ" and "Redemption" and "salvation" apart from the Jewish narrative. But I still have a hard time believing that new converts from paganism/pantheism would be familiar enough with Jewish apocalyptic thought to tease out the many nuances that seem to be there (as you do a great job showing in your book). We’ve had a compiled "Bible" now for some 1600+ years and we are just now, it seems, becoming more aware of the connections. Could Gentile converts be expected to in a period of 30 or less years? Communication is a two way effort, dependent not only on the speaker but also the listener. I don’t think we can separate what was "heard" from what was "said." Especially when Paul’s audience was Gentile. Having said that, you did answer that part of the question, and I appreciate your response. It definitely has challenged my concept of where to start in evangelism!
One follow up question: I did see your development of thought about resurrection of suffering saints in the age-transition. I just want to clarify something. Your understanding is not that saints who suffer in the likeness or for Christ will be immediately resurrected, only those prior to the parousia, correct? In other words, if that Afghani Christian is executed for the sake of his belief in Jesus (suffereing in the likeness of Christ, to the point of death), he was not promised that immediate resurrection; just those who suffered prior to the parousia?
Thanks again for your thoughts. I too don’t prefer the term "preterist;" however, until there is a short-hand way of saying "realized eschatologist" or "covenantal eschatologist" or "historical contexualist", I think many people are "stuck." (For those who hate labels, I’m a pragmatist, and labels are simply shorthand to describe something.)
Tony
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Perhaps something to consider here is the extent to which Paul thought of himself as incorporating Gentiles into Israel - grafting foreign branches on to an essentially Jewish tree. There is so much Scripture in Paul (not just in the background of the apocalpytic texts) that we just have to assume that he expected predominantly Gentile communities to learn to think biblically. I don’t think this is so incredible, particularly if we allow for the possibility that they used digests of the most relevant texts or relied on mediating teaching traditions. You can learn a lot in 30 years.
I’m not sure about your follow up question, so this may come across as a bit incoherent. The New Testament argument about suffering and resurrection is worked out within the concentric horizons of judgment on Jerusalem and judgment on Rome. I think I want to say that this hope of vindication (the ‘first resurrection’) is contingent upon, is a response to, is confined to the decisive ‘eschatological’ crisis of judgment on Israel and the emergence of a restored, Spirit-empowered people from under the authority of Caesar - a victory gained through the suffering of the saints of the Most High. As a matter of biblical interpretation that seems to me a coherent position to adopt.
I’m hesitant to say that the hope cannot be extended to analogous situations such as the one you describe, but I’m not sure it’s really necessary to do so. It was the early community that needed the fundamental vindication, the confirmation that it had chosen the right path. This vindication was conceived primarily in terms of the destruction of the oppressor and the giving of sovereignty to the Son of man - to Christ and those who suffered in him. The parousia, therefore, marked the final establishment of God’s reign over his people through the one who suffered - and it was the establishment of this reign, at this moment in history, as the culmination of a particular eschatological process, that mattered.
Resurrection was simply the means by which those who were killed would participate in this vindication - otherwise, as Paul recognized (1 Cor. 15:16-19), the whole thing would be pretty meaningless. You almost see him developing the idea as an ad hoc response to the fact that members of this suffering community were dying before the parousia (1 Thess. 4:13-14). But resurrection is subordinate to the larger motif of the establishment of God’s reign over his people. Now that the people of God has been restored and God does indeed reign through Christ in the place of all other lords and powers, the church as a whole no longer needs that fundamental vindication and victory. Your Afghani Christian certainly needs to know that God will not abandon him to the grave, that his name is written in the book of life. But does he need to reign with Christ thoroughout this age? I’m not sure.
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Hey, Andrew.
I’m a little over half-way through the COSM, and I’m very, very impressed. Thank you very much for writing it. I feel like my understanding has grown by leaps and bounds. Seeing Tony’s questions and your answers has been quite helpful as well… thanks!
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