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Emergent Preaching

In the Reformed tradition, thanks to Karl Barth, we are often referring to the three-fold witness of the Word.  That is, 1) the Word that took flesh in Jesus Christ, 2) that is witnessed to in Scripture, and 3) that is proclaimed in Word and Deed by the church.  I’m particularly interested in your thoughts on the third (if there is a similar thread, please let me know).

Specifically, what form will preaching take in the emergent church?  In our tradition, the sermon has always taken center stage.  As a pastor who preaches every Sunday I’m starting to become a little dissatisfied with the practice.  I stress "a little."  I look forward to doing it, but the results are anti-climatic.

I’m wondering, with the emergent church’s leaning toward experience and relationship, if a guided, communal conversation might replace a prepared, individual "lecture(?)." 

I’d appreciate reading about your experiences with alternative sermons/preaching/proclomation.  What has worked?  What hasn’t?  How do you see the practice of preaching evolving in the emerging church?  Will we have open source sermons?  You can comment on the content if you like, but I’m mainly interested in your thoughts on the practice itself.  Thanks.

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Re: Emergent Preaching

I’ve been thinking about this for some time now and here are some things that I have tried in our inherited church structure:

  1. Conversational Dialogue
    I prepare the sermon with someone, we ask each other questions and talk our way through the topic.
  2. Congregational Dialogue
    In different ways invite dialogue from the congregation.  This Sunday I had four questions for people to think about as I did the reading.  I read, gave the opportunity for discussion between people and invited feedback commenting and expanding as I go.
  3. Creative Story Telling
    Rewriting the text as I go.  On Sunday I started with the reading and questions and finished with a Targum on the text (a la Walsh and Keesmat, Colossians Remixed)
  4. Community Topic Selection
    At the end of each series, I introduce two or three possibilities and then let the congregation select by vote which one we do.
If your interested I post my notes on a blog type thing over at bible.graham.doel.org

Re: Emergent Preaching

PastorPete

This will be a brief response as my son really wants me to play NFS with him.

We are trying to find ways to mix things up a bit.  That said, we are still a fairly typical announcements-music-offering-sermon-music service.  We are making a concerted effort to become more liturgical/conteplative, but we are taking baby steps.

Here are some of the things I/we have tried:

1) breaking the sermon up into smaller sections which are interspersed with congregational singing, multimedia, etc. 

http://www.cornerstonecc.us/sermons/2003/2004-07-18.mp3

2) using a somewhat more dramatized-narrative approach

http://www.cornerstonecc.us/sermons/2003/2003-06-08.mp3

http://www.cornerstonecc.us/sermons/2003/2004-08-22.mp3

3) co-preaching a sermon — where two or more share a sermon

http://www.cornerstonecc.us/Sermons/2003/2005-02-13B.mp3

http://www.cornerstonecc.us/Sermons/2003/2005-04-10.mp3

4) I recently had a person that I thought read scripture well join me up front to read verses from the passage we were considering during the sermon.  He would read a few verses and then I would interact with them.  This sort of allowed Scripture its own voice.

http://www.cornerstonecc.us/Sermons/2003/2006-03-12.mp3

5) we are currently looking at the "parable of the prodigal son / parable of the loving father" in a sermon series that is being preached by a different person each week.  Not only are we each approaching the passage from a different perspective, but our own experiences, gifting, etc. causes us each to look at this passage in unique ways.  It seems to be working pretty well.

We are constantly looking for new ways to do things.  The point isn’t to be different or cutting-edge.  The point is that we want to find whatever way we can to connect with people and where they are at.  I am particularly excited about looking at a passage from four different perspectives with four different preachers over four weeks (any number greater than one would probably have a similar effect).  There are things I can say (or God can say through me?) that others can’t say (or that God chooses not to say through others?). 

All that said, we still consume 50% of our time together on a Sunday morning preaching/listening to a sermon.  It seems to me that maybe that is a little high of a percentage (not necessarily wrong, though).  As we haven’t been able to trim our sermons much below 30 minutes, and they tend to average closer to 40, I think, we have gradually started to have longer services.  60 min, 65 min, 70 min, 75 min … Who knows, maybe someday we will go for 90!  (I grew up in Latin America where services often were closer to 120 min … and most people I know are really happy to sit through a 2hr movie …)

We are also trying to take the focus off of the "Sunday Event" itself.  I’m sure this topic has received attention elsewhere on these boards.  We are intentionally trying to create opportunities for our people to experience church life throughout the rest of the week.  The risk in doing this is that we become program-driven — which we really want to avoid.  While much of what we are doing to this end is still based in the church facility, we are trying to create opportunity for folks to experience church life (life in the kingdom?) outside of the church building.  This includes Neighborhood Groups (akin to cell or small groups, but we think a little different); Service Saturdays (community action sort-of stuff); Wednesday Night dinners (a gathering of everyone from the church and their friends and anyone else who wants to show up); a Bible Study Forum (like a typical Bible Study with maybe a tad more interaction); a Worship Forum (where whoever wants to show up and have input into the week’s sermon and music can do so); a Teen Ministry which isn’t geared towards entertaining them but rather towards equipping them for ministry; etc.  Again, we have a long way to go on this and we have found that our Core Value of "Organizational Flexibility" is very important!

In any case, I certainly would like to hear what others are doing on this/these front(s) as well.

Ummm … not so brief I guess, my son just finished his 9th lap as he waits patiently …

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It would seem to me that emergent preaching would be different in content, not just different in presentation.  I would expect emergent preaching to contain more questions rather than feel like a motivation speech given by the coach before the big game.  I would expect to leave with the feeling that I need to gather a couple of close friends and talk about the questions.    

To use a metaphor, if church is like a resturant, then what we are giving people now is pre-cooked, pre-digested food rather than giving people quality ingredients and asking them to take the ingredients home, invite their neighbors over, cook the food and share a meal. 

Does every sermon have to have a clear happy ending that everyone understands?  When I think about the best TV shows, I think about the ones that leave people hanging waiting for next week and they make you want to hang out by the water cooler with your friends and discuss them.  Great movies always leave me uneasy becasue I’ve seen a part of me exposed in the movie I’m watching.  I’ve never had that experience with a sermon and it wouldn’t matter if it was done with multimedia or not.  Can some of you preachers really take the risk of asking a question and not answering it in the same sermon or would you get fired?

Would the movie "Crash" have won any awards if was just a sermon with 3 points about why racism is bad?  I don’t think so.

What if a sermon title was not "what would Jesus do?" but instead it was "what questions would Jesus ask?".  Isn’t that what Jesus did with his parables?

I had a friend over at my house with his 4 year old son.  I was amazed as I watched cartoons with him.  Can you beileve the level of sophistication that is in cartoons now?  Kids get more fast paced intellectual information and dialogue in 3 minutes of a cartoon while most preachers are doing there best to dumb down the sermons for the masses. 

Re: Emergent Preaching

As I suspected, and gladly so, it seems that emergent preaching will be a more communal event, whether that be different takes on the same passage or a dialogue among the masses.

I do appreciate Jesus’ parables as a model for preaching.  However, I don’t think Jesus used parables to ask questions.  Rather, he made some very blunt points.  He just made them in a way that people had to ask questions about what those points meant for them and their community.  Often they didn’t like the results.

It seems to me that preaching should reveal the points that Scripture is making and, also, the questions that should be asked.  For example, "how do I experience God in my life today?"  or "what is the just response to poverty, conflict, etc.?"  Often, people won’t like the results, but at least their finally meditating on the reality of God’s kingdom today.

I think that’s why traditional preaching can be so dissatisfying.  You’ll here plenty of "Good sermon pastor" but when asked what was good about it, they’re not really sure.  A follow up conversation (even in the worship) space is a way to give the Word some flesh.  Any thoughts?

Idea for Emergent Preaching

Danutz suggests a sermon that involves “giving people quality ingredients and asking them to take the ingredients home, invite their neighbors over, cook the food and share a meal.” I like the metaphor but wonder how it can be achieved. Some ideas, I believe, are above.

This is an idea I’ve been playing with and have experimented with in a language classroom but not yet had a chance in a church. Choose a subject (or text) some time in advance (one week for most of us). Set up group/s whereby the participants themselves have to prepare and present an aspect. Allow time for the group to question, amplify and apply the ideas. The goal is a flowing conversation, not five three-minute sermons. A good facilitator for each group is key.

In larger settings (more than one group) there is always an area of interest in what other groups have to say. So…
* invite a spokesperson or two to the microphone to report (boring, methinks); or
* ask people to wiki/blog their responses. Collate and print for those without internet access; or
* move into a casual setting/cafe where people can mingle and chat; or
* use a group journalling technique or art installation; or
* come up with something that fits your group…

I like the outcomes where there is a “memorial” of the process.

I think this “sermon” can be used at all levels of knowledge: pooling ignorance/regurgitating others’ ideas, book study, intuitive and prophetic, and even advanced study/scholarly input. In a congregation there is likely to be a mix of all.

The advantages for leaders are immense, especially in terms of feeling the pulse of your community’s values and identifying people’s giftings. Of course there are risks but they’re good risks.

If you do a “from the front” follow up on the day or in later weeks ensure that you don’t quash marginalised voices. I tend to avoid this follow up. The point is exploring truth in relationship.

The cooking improves over time ;)

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PS. I also recommend keeping an eye on Steve Taylor’s blog. He often records innovative services from his church. http://www.emergentkiwi.org.nz/

Emergent Preaching and request for an autograph

The ideas are great - but why ‘emergent’? And what is so different from having somebody give a message, then having midweek homegroups look at questions concerning the message? (In a comfortable atmosphere and environment more conducive to discussion than a bigger weekly meeting place.)

Some of the ways we have tried to break up the traditional worship/sermon kind of meeting, and encourage greater involvement and ownership, are: having a ‘panel of experts’ at the front to answer questions; having people give their own stories relating to the theme of a biblical message (cued in advance, usually, to get some thoughtful responses); seminars on a range of topics instead of one single message; using a radio mike to get responses (so people don’t have to traipse up to the front); breaking into groups for discussion or a prayer response (sometimes cafe-style, around tables). This is in a group of 100 - 150 adults meeting together. 

Forum discussions over a website take place all the time here: on our own church website, or other websites (such as opensourcetheology). It seems to be a minority interest, though.

I can’t get away from the feeling though, that some are gifted to teach/preach, and these folk need to be nurtured and let loose (as opposed to ‘the pastor’ giving all the messages). In the autumn, we have decided to run an expository teaching series on Romans at our main meetings. We haven’t done this sort of thing for ages, and the idea was greeted with some concern - such as that it would once again remove ‘ownership’ of the meeting from the people.

However, in a group of about 150-200 adults, we have at least seven or eight people with a track record of speaking in our meetings and an acknowledged teaching gift - so the idea is that there will be an initial ‘teach-in’ on the letter, whereby we all co-ordinate an agreed approach (it is hoped), so that the exposition will be have continuity. Having various folk involved models group ownership, brings a spectrum of viewpoint and style, and also honours and releases gifts which are in the body.

Why do expository teaching anyway? Because the gospel is not only a message which is synthesised from disparate biblical sources, but it rests and finds meaning in the context of complete individual biblical documents and their specific histories. Our message gains authority through the mix of personal experience, and connection with its historical roots. As we are looking at taking that message out to people, we want to ensure that it is reinforced in depth and quality through the written word of the NT scriptures. It will also be reinforced by questions for discussion each time. At the moment, we have no other central forum in which to explore the bible together as one big group other than our main weekly meeting.

Anyway, I’m composing this partly because I’m inspired by having just read the fairly recently published biography of Derek Prince (one of my all-time spiritual heroes - and a very quirky one at that). I also have a request. mars-hill - are you of the Mars Hill in the US? And if you are Robert Bell, would you mind autographing my copy of Velvet Elvis for me, please?

 

Sorry Peter (and why my idea seems emergent)

Kia-ora Peter (and everyone else!),

It’s been a while since I’ve had a chance to post; nice to see some new names amongst old acquaintances. Firstly, to your disappointment I’m sure, I’m neither Robert Bell nor associated with the Mars Hill church in the USA. I’m a wandering Kiwi (New Zealander) with a website here: www.mars-hill.co.nz. However, I’m happy to autograph any books or other item ;)

The ideas are great - but why ‘emergent’?
I don’t think my idea above must necessarily be used by emerging congregations or not used by others. I do think it allows for several emergent behaviours (listed in no apparent order).

i) Allowing for personal stories
ii) Encourages active questioning of the text and others
ii) Removing a ‘party line’ mentality (no ‘correct’ answer; negotiating the texts’ meaning together)
iii) Ability to relate to the text as an individual and a group
iv) By being ‘heard’ in the group, gaining understanding of each other
v) Allowing space to traditionally marginalised voices
vi) Grappling, together, with how to apply the text
vii) Allows for missional interaction

This can engender a bottom-up treatment of the texts which has space to allow for each congregation’s unique cultural and geographic ‘space’; I would consider this “emerging” theology, that is the theology emerges from the localised group. (It also allows the stylistic elements of relaxed atmosphere, etc. which hold together much of what calls itself ‘emerging/ent church’.)

And what is so different from having somebody give a message, then having midweek homegroups look at questions concerning the message?
As I’ve tried to show above, removing a standard interpretation allows for a more ‘local’ voice and is a good exercise for a leader. (As I said in my first post, “especially in terms of feeling the pulse of your community’s values and identifying people’s giftings.”) This could work as another type of communal learning alongside the midweek discussion.

My idea actually arose in reaction to what you describe here. My experiences of Sunday speaker/midweek discussion haven’t been that good (as I describe below), so I was hoping to come up with something with similar advantages. On occasion a homegroup I was part of went through this process (Sunday speaker/midweek discussion). Unfortunately, it was nearly impossible to question the views of the Sunday speaker as the boat was not to be rocked…It became an exercise in indoctrination rather than exploration. I switched to another homegroup where questioning was ‘invited’ (read: ‘tolerated’), but found myself increasingly ostracised as a heretic or spiritual risk. (With several years of part-time theological and pastoral training I don’t think I am, by the way.)

My personal experience gives some idea of why my suggestion avoids this approach and cautions against a “big person” trying to bring everything together.

Forum discussions over a website take place all the time here…
They do. The difference between what I suggest and an OST approach is that the wiki/blog/whatever that I suggested is that it’s only accessible by the congregation. It serves as a group memory, stimulates ongoing discussion and documents the participants’ views. It can allow the material to have a long tail and transparency in group history. (It could make for interesting church history research!) Those that aren’t good at speaking in groups can also find it a liberating way to express themselves. (Of course to succeed it requires certain technological knowledge, language ability and financial status from the group.)

Why do expository teaching anyway?
I completely agree. I don’t think the single speaker should disappear…just be supplemented by other styles. And she/he should be very well trained.

I’ve tried to be concise and I can’t speak for the other suggestions. I hope this clears up why I think this idea can engender emergent behaviour and theology.

Re: Emergent Preaching

I work on the teaching team in a church that most would probably call emerging… I don't know if it's post-modern, as we are many working within an evangelical theological context, but tweaking the theology a little, and the format a lot.

Anyway, our church doesn't have a building, so three Sundays out of the week, there are four groups which meet in different locations around the city of Brussels, two in homes, and two in restaurant-bars (on the fourth sunday we all meet together at a large rented venue). Each group has about twenty to twenty five or so regular members, but they aren't all there usually, so it comes to somewhere in the vicinity of 17 people per group per night. Less in the summer and holidays, more in the boring months.

Anyway, the staff set a theme for every month. It's always a one word theme. This year some themes have been Freedom, Grace, Broken, Whole, Neighbor, and Play. Once the staff figure out what the theme is, they get some people researching biblical content around it. Eventually this gets boiled down into an abstract. Each of the three weeks, supposably, is to explore how the them is related to one of three aspects: First week, how does this relate to us personally? Second week, how does this relate to our immediate community? Third week, how does the theme relate to our mission in the world?

This is, obviously, a little arbitrary. It's not my system, it's just what I'm working with. Anyway, this is pretty flexible, and each month, we seem to be getting a little bit farther away from this pattern. But in the end, the content team makes a basic road map for the direction they want the teaching to go for each for each of the weeks, along with some suggested scriptures and other stuff to help put the lesson together.

Then the content abstract goes to the leadership teams for each group (which are all open; anyone who attends the meetings is on the team). Usually myself (in the midst of getting my BDiv.) and another guy (a PhD. Candidate at Regent College) take two of the three weeks, although sometimes one or both of us don't, depending on schedules and what-have-you. The weeks that we don't take usually end up with people teaching in teams. We often have one of our more 'core members' team up with someone who isn't so involved yet to put something together.

When it comes to the individual teachings, we don't actually have to follow the content at all if we don't want. The PhD-candidate-guy and I very often end up switching the passages, but sticking to the same topic. The people who don't have any formal training usually stick closer to the outlines.

Generally, the teaching is somewhere between 15 to 25 minutes of monologue, but that's just the beginning. The teaching itself is usually more related to the original meaning and principles of the text we're using. Then, either after or at various places within the teaching, there are questions related to application. These questions are discussed in one of two ways. Either we have round table discussions, if the group is small enough (which I prefer); or each table talks about it amongst themselves (tables, not pews, because were in bar), and at the end people share various insights that were brought up within the group relating to application.

This seems to work well. I, personally, would be happier if we went strait through entire books of the bible as a church, which I've suggested, but it's not my decision in the end, and this way is also okay.

On the fourth Sunday, when we all meet together, we usually do or present something arty-farty related to the theme. I can barely stomach that stuff, but some people are into, so whatever.

I also teach a Bible study on Luke with this church. Originally, people were supposed to read the portion of scripture that was assigned for the next meeting throughout the week, and try to think about it and make some observations so we would all participate in the interpretive process together. However, no one ever actually reads beforehand, let alone thinks about it, so it's basically just me going exegetically through the text (with a focus on a narrative interpretation), answering questions, or sometimes asking them.

It goes fairly well, and people are challenged and do some thinking, but I really wish I could get them to seriously engage the text with me. I guess things don't go our way all the time.

Oh, and interestingly, we never call anything 'preaching.' It sounds so preachy. We call everything teaching.

Aaron Christianson

Re: Emergent Preaching

We’re actually working on an open source sermon over at my blog. So far we’ve got the topic picked out. We’re working on texts. Next we’ll open a wiki to work on the content. Come check it out and pitch in!

http://revsmilez.com/open-source-sermon/

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