Jesus vs. Christ - what do/should emergents call him?

In reference to the review of The Quest for Paul’s Gospel. If I understand it correctly, the ‘salvation-historical’ model seems to have Jesus’ Messianic character as its basis making the title Christ more important than the person Jesus (does that make sense?). What aspects of Jesus’ character do people see to be dominant in the others? And what about in non-Pauline understandings of Jesus? In the emerging church, is there a discussion of Jesus vs. Christ? I’ve noticed that Christ is still the predominant title of Jesus (used every time in the above article), reversing the predominance in the gospels (NRSV 5 Christs vs. >500 Jesus). Paul seems to mix it up between Jesus, Christ, and mixed (Christ Jesus). I have no agendas, I’m just wondering if people see any theological issues, practical issues, worship issues, or missiological issues (…) at stake in what we call Jesus and if there has been any previous discussion on this.
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Re: Jesus vs. Christ - what do/should emergents call him?

I was just waiting for the next instalment of the ‘No agendas or hand-wringing’ thread, when this appeared. Just on that thread - could there be a cross-Atlantic undertow? I think richard is reflecting some heartfelt US soul-searching which may be a little more distant to some folk in the UK. Maybe we don’t have the identification of the evangelical church with the political right-wing, which (some say) is a phenomenon of US politics. (I realise that could be an oversimplification). Is that a deeper issue?

Returning to the subject of this particular thread: my understanding is that it’s no more simple to pin one label alone onto Jesus in the ‘salvation-historical model’ than it was in any other model. (But I’m open to correction).

If we stuck to the implications of the SH model, we would probably be more sensitive to the historic meaning of ‘Christ’ as ‘anointed one’, in this case, Israel’s messiah. But we might also be more sensitive to the ‘anointings’ of those in kingly and priestly office in Israel’s history, and the ambiguity, or at any rate diversity, of understanding of what precisely ‘anointed one’ meant when it referred to a person intervening in a climactic way in Israel’s history in the years immediately before or after the birth of Jesus. (I was about to say ‘Christ’).

Perhaps our present-day usage of the term ‘Christ’ covers Jesus’s credentials more generally as uniquely related to God, bringing salvation through the cross, resurrection, ascension, outpoured Spirit, and so on. I think this may have been how the term was beginning to be used by Paul - giving the idea of Jesus’s ‘messiahship’ specific and upgraded content, as opposed to whatever may have been understood by the term before Jesus came.

I suspect we use the term ‘Jesus’ on its own to express an intimacy of relationship with him, or even simply to refer to his humanity, or his identity as a biblical figure.

I also suspect that the linking of the two words may reflect our culturally conditioned ideas of a first name followed by a surname. ‘Jesus’ on its own might seem too familiar, so we add the surname, to convey more respect. Just as we might do with any other person we wish to address or describe. Or we prefix the name ‘Jesus’ with ‘Christ’ - for the same reason. If we want to be really respectful we confer a peerage on Jesus - the Lord Jesus Christ. Our usage is partly culturally conditioned. But it’s also a practice which is partly sanctioned by biblical usage - such as in Paul’s letters.

I suppose the logic of this would be that emergents should prefer the term ‘Jesus’ to ‘Christ’, as it cuts away any sense of the accretions of religious tradition, and opens Jesus up to fresh discovery by those who might balk at the traditions, or the untranslated and little understood insertion of a Greek word when referring to Jesus. It might even validate different interpretations of who Jesus is within new forms of community. I personally have problems with such a stripped down view, in which all perspectives are invited and validated - but why use the term ‘Christ’, when it is a Greek word not used elsewhere in our own language, and does not normally carry any sense of its actual Greek meaning?

Whatever the point of view, I think there is a case for exercising greater self-awareness when we use the terms ‘Jesus’ or ‘Christ’, as well as our use of the word ‘Lord’, and ‘Father’ when addressing God or speaking of relationship to him.

Jesus and Christ - what I call him

I have given a little critical thought to this issue. I try to be aware of the names I use and try to convey something different by each of them.

Jesus of Nazareth, although cumbersome, is my favourite for discussing the person. It allows focus on the human aspects of his life. I like using this term in narrative-based discussion. This term is seldom used in my circle, so it has a freshness which allows people to remove some baggage and reimagine.

A/the Christ (as title) or Jesus Christ (the person) emphasises either the divine or political aspects (both so tightly linked!). I’m always aware of the “anointed” implication. To me the term is linked with the subversion of empire.

I am using the messiah/messiah Jesus more as I gain understanding of Jewish use. This one’s still not fully formed for me; at the moment I can only say it emphasises his Jewish nationality and the peculiarity that brings.

Lord is an old favourite indicating the high-divinity and sovereignty of Jesus.

So I don’t think there’s anything new there. I think it’s sad for language to lose its richness through bastardisation of terms. Whilst avoiding being pedantic, there is so much to gain by clear or intentionally ambiguous use of our words.

As far as I can see the richness of language is being lost and rediscovered at the same time right now. It offers space for creative mission and artistic exploration of God’s names. Thanks for opening up the question.

(I apologise for my long silence; one arm is in a cast following a car crash and typing is too slow for much interaction. Hope to be back in the New Year if not before.)

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I have enjoyed coming to terms with the languange used by Marcus Borg in his book "Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time" to describe the difference between the "pre-easter Jesus" and the "post-easter Jesus".  In summary, the pre-easter Jesus is the  Jesus of Nazareth that lived and taught in the 1st century and the post-easter Jesus is the the bigger than life Christ that symbolizes everything Jesus has grown to become to the Christian community that followed.

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For me the two names (Jesus and Christ) have significance for the humanity and deity of Jesus Christ.  ‘Jesus’ brings to mind the human being who lived breathed and experienced life, the incarnation.  ‘Christ’ brings to mind the second person of the Trinity, the messiah.

Thus, for me both names need to be balanced to do justice to the hypostatic union that is in Jesus Christ - fully God and fully human.

Although, having written that I wonder whether ‘Son’ might better bring to mind the deity of Jesus Christ.  In this case ‘Jesus, the Son of God’ better brings to mind the deity and humanity aspects, both of which are essential for Christ our saviour.

I guess we need to take care with our language in order that we do not fall into the trap of nestorianism, monophysitism or apollinarianism!  A vertiable feast of heresy.

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Richw,

I’m not sure I follow you. On one hand you seem comfortable seperating the human Jesus and the mystical Christ, but on the other hand you seem to get lost in the traditional theology of divinity.  "Son of God" was a term used regularly in the 1st century for people in a position of power including Cesear.  Calling Jesus the son of God was an intentional attack on the power of the Roman empire by the Jewish followers that saw Jesus as their eventual savior from Rome.

Fully human, fully man? That sounds like you would take us back hundreds of years in our understanding.  It seems you would still embrace the old fairytale way of understanding Jesus complete with a virgin birth. 

Danutz http://danutz.blogspot.com

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Richw, the question that I think your comments raise is: Where do we get these associations from? To say that "’Christ’ brings to mind…" is rather vague. Danutz has a point when he refers to the political aspect of a term such as ‘Son of God’, though he has been reading Marcus Borg and has a habit of dismissing traditional views rather glibly as ‘fairy tales’ - if he’ll forgive me for saying so.

Our religious, devotional and theological traditions are one set of sources that we can draw on to fill out the meaning of these terms. But scripture often points in a rather different direction. Certainly, the name ‘Jesus’ evokes the human figure in the Gospels, but ‘Christ’ is not biblically a divine name, as such, a term for the second person of the trinity. Quiet the opposite - it describes the anointed human agent of God’s purpose. ‘Jesus Christ’ is therefore Jesus, the man from Nazareth, who came to be viewed as the one anointed by God to save Israel from its sins, etc. (see Peter’s comments above).

‘Son of man’ brings a different set of connotations into view - Ezekiel’s self-designation, for example, and more importantly Daniel’s vision of suffering Israel vindicated and exalted by God.

‘Son of God’ also designates a human figure who is in close relation to God or who takes on a role or characteristic of God - Israel’s king, for example, but also Israel itself. In the Gentile world, as Danutz argues, the term acquired a further polemical edge challenging the status of Caesar as ‘son of god’.

I would suggest that these terms bring a narrative dimension into view and that it is in this narrative principally that we encounter the coming together of God and man - an acted or narrative christology. This narrative was later explicated by theologians in ontological terms, though I might follow Peter in this and suggest that in Paul the name ‘Jesus Christ’ already serves as a summary of this narrative: the complex story of God’s activity of judgment and renewal is encapsulated in the confession that ‘Jesus Christ is Lord’.

What I think the emerging church might learn from this is the importance of telling the whole story as story.
 

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