What evangelicals fight about: creation

The second bone of contention in the much abused skeleton of Evangelical thought is creation. Dickinson and Buckeridge (for the background see What evangelicals fight about: atonement) list the options: ‘Three main opposing views with hot and sometimes harsh debate between supporters of six-day creationism, intelligent design and theistic evolution.’ To be honest, I am rather uninformed about this whole issue, and what I have to say will probably seem naïve and misguided. But I think that there are options available to us in a postmodern framework which, if we could just extract ourselves from beneath the suffocating weight of the interminable modern debate, could prove re-invigorating for the missional work of the church.

It seems to me that at one level this is simply a debate about the coherence of a scientific theory. In order to be vindicated both creationism and intelligent design (if it is anything more than just a metaphor for theistic evolution) must eventually demonstrate that purely naturalistic accounts of evolution are flawed, are not fully able to make sense of the data. Politics and prejudice will be major factors: as long as it remains as much a cultural controversy as a scientific one, we should not expect this to be a fair-minded and reasonable investigation of the evidence. But the fundamental problem as I see it is that as a matter of science the debate over evolution is extremely complex and rarely stands still for very long. So, on the one hand, it is very difficult to know whether we have got the facts and arguments right; and on the other, we can never be sure that we will be dealing with the same facts and arguments, from whichever side of the debate, tomorrow. In that respect, and at that level, I don’t see the point in getting too upset about the whole thing; I think it can be set apart from the basic calling of the church.

In my view, in a postmodern world, it would be much more interesting to explore how we might tell different stories about human origins without getting into an unseemly fight over it. The theory of evolution has a lot of empirical data going for it, but in the end, because the process cannot be observed or replicated or put to practical use, it remains essentially a marvellous, tumultuous story that is being told about life. As someone who believes that life is a gift of God, I can derive great intellectual satisfaction and even an inspiration for worship from a story of such extraordinary intrigue and intricacy. For good reasons or bad it doesn’t greatly bother me that the story appears to exclude God from the process. Many of the stories that we tell about the world exclude God from the process: stories about the emergence of agriculture, the history of China, the discovery of penicillin, the life-cycle of the earthworm, the deforestation of Borneo, and so on.

But there is also something about my experience of the world that means I cannot help but construct narratives of purpose and design. At one end of the scale this is expressed as superstition or animism; but within a theistic worldview we are not the less bound to seek meaning in the circumstances – indeed, in the very fact – of our existence. It’s probably asking for trouble to lock this perspective too tightly into any particular scientific analysis. It has always seemed rather arbitrary and hazardous to pick on some peculiar feature of living creatures and trumpet it as empirical evidence that the whole thing has been designed and couldn’t possibly have existed otherwise. It will only be a matter of time before some new argument or piece of information is thrust in our faces to spite us. But ‘intelligent design’ still seems to me a potent and perhaps even necessary story to tell about human existence.

Finally, I want to be able to exploit the ‘mythical’ power of the biblical creation narratives – to be able to say, ‘This is what happened, this is what God did’ – without being accused of bigotry or stupidity. There are clearly issues of genre and intention that must be allowed to inform our understanding of these primitive texts. What questions were they seeking to answer? What other narratives were they in competition with? But this sort of literary and theological contextualization ought to lead us to more appropriate ways of retelling the biblical creation story, not in crude, misplaced conflict with the theory of evolution but as an alternative to the deep mythical narratives that shape our culture, that give meaning and direction to its fundamental projects, including the scientific project.

This argument has been clumsily and inexpertly made. But whether or not I have done justice to the three different positions, I think that the church as a prophetic, story-telling community is primarily called not to settle what is essentially a scientific debate but to tell good stories, as stories, about the creator God. This should not be regarded as a trivial activity: we should learn to tell each of these stories well, as experts, as people with a passionate grasp of their intrinsic power and quite distinct functions. But I think it would be a good witness to the importance of an integrated worldview if we could learn to tell them imaginatively and good-naturedly as mutually interpretive stories not as competing theories.

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Re: What evangelicals fight about: creation

Hi Andrew,

Though I appreciate the attempt you make in this post to offer an alternative approach, I think its rather simplistic to put the theory of Evolution in the same category with creatonism, ID, and other ‘stories’ of how life began. Surely it is also a story, especially when it is read through the lenses of philosophical naturalism, however the empirical evidence which you mention makes me think that even though the present theories surrounding it may be incomplete, we should try to work with what the ‘best’ of science is presenting us.

It may help Evangelicals fight less about the issue but I think this is an issue that expects a response and indeed many people are asking for this, as our theology seems not to be able to work with this. (see the section on ‘Consequences for Faith’ I cited in my previous post)

With blessings,

Daniel

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I agree that the theory of evolution is a story of a very different type to either creationism or intelligent design, and I don’t mean to distort or diminish it by putting it in the same ‘story’ box. But I think that something more fundamental is at stake for the church than whether evolution can be made to stand as a theory. By reducing the three positions (four if we take John’s point) to the same hermeneutical level, telling them as mutually interpretive stories, we can concentrate on what is something more like a primary task, which is to give a complex but coherent account of things on the assumption that there is a creator God.

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Hi Andrew,

Good analysis. As one who is taking time to read up on the evolutionary science, I do have one fundamental theological question however. And it’s one the Creationists have been harping on for quite some time.

That is: death has a quite different place in the narrative of the evolutionary ‘tree of life’ than it does in the narrative of Eden (and its ‘tree of life’). Insofar as the rest of the biblical story presupposes that death and decay are not ‘designed’ / a result of the Creator’s intentions, how do we reconcile that with the evolutionary perspective that tells us death is essential to life as we know it?

Further, what do we make of the Christian hope of eternal (resurrected) life? The more I think about it, the less living forever and ever appeals to me. Or is this just a failure of my imagination to grasp the awesomeness of resurrection life?

In brief, the key issue for me is how to believe in the Eden story (as story) while perhaps taking a different view on death than it does. All due respect to N. T. Wright, death seems like a neutrally natural part of life to me (I admit that say, a 3-year-old’s death is tragic, and perhaps ‘evil’—but an 83-year-old’s?—no that’s all natural and even good). Am I straying from Christian orthodoxy to believe this?

Peace,
 -Daniel-

Re: What evangelicals fight about: creation

Daniel, there has been a vast amount of discussion about creation on this site in the past: see, for example, God v Science debate between Richard Dawkins and Francis Collins, The Creation Narratives as Thought Experiments, Did we come from monkeys, and Daniel Dennett on The Purpose Driven Life. I’ve no doubt the particular issue of the place of death in this has been discussed somewhere in there. Virgil’s recent post on death and resurrection may also be relevant.

For now, though, just a few thoughts…

I’m sure your basic point is valid – it must at least be the other side of the coin to the theological perspective that sees death as the last enemy. By telling these as mutually interpretive – but not necessarily mutually compatible – stories we can properly acknowledge the creative importance of death in the evolution narrative.

Death is not so clearly part of the punishment in the creation stories: expulsion from the garden and a life of hardship and pain are direct consequences of the disobedience, but the place of death in this remains ambiguous; Adam and Eve have to be prevented from eating of the tree of life (Gen. 3:22).

When Isaiah conceives of the restoration of Israel in terms of new creation, he does not exclude death from the picture: what he excludes is the injustice of an early death for the righteous and a late death for the sinner (Is. 65:20).

It is the unjust death of the righteous that fundamentally puts death and resurrection at the heart of the New Testament story. It is then as a reaction to the proclaimed fact of Jesus’ resurrection that Paul develops an argument about death entering the world through sin or about creation yearning to escape from the cycle of corruption and death.

It still seems to me (I haven’t yet worked my way through Virgil’s post) that the New Testament foresees a final victory over death, but arguably this is as much a statement about who God is as an encouragement to the church to refocus its attention beyond the cosmic grave.

So I think that there is scope even within the biblical narrative to develop a more complex, nuanced and even internally contradictory view of death.

Re: What evangelicals fight about: creation

Getting to know the beasts in the forest would help. There are self-avowed Old Earth Creationists, some of whom like Hugh Ross find the Intelligent Design argument to be creepy.

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Not that it’s listed on the evangelical menu, but there is a fourth option: maybe God had nothing to do with creating the material universe. Especially if God’s historical project focuses on bringing forth a new creation, I’d think it wouldn’t really matter how the old creation came into being.

Re: What evangelicals fight about: creation

Hi Andrew and others,

A complement for this well thought site.

This is one of the many interesting topics the church is facing in the west. I say the ‘west’ because may be this holds a possible answer to this and other topics. I don’t mean sarcasm. It’s a genuine remark.

I don’t want to add more complexity to this matter but sometimes I wonder whether for example angles were created or came through evolution. May the answer of this question some how leads us somewhere.
I am not a theologian but as far as I know for example the word evolution never came in the bible. This word never intentionally or unintentionally (prophetically!) replaced the word ‘creation’. For sure the people back then probably (!!) did not have a word for this. But was God then, with all his knowledge and wisdom, unable to mention it some how in the Bible, by a story for example. Was He for example afraid somehow of mentioning it?

Whether God created the world in 6 days or not, I don’t know. I myself don’t see in the Bible that God created the world in just 6 executive days. Because then I would wonder whether 6 days are long or short?

It’s for sure good to discuss this issue, but sometimes I wonder if we have (obsessed) to find an answer to this evolution issue? I remember the proverb that our Lord mentioned about a narrow road that few will find, Mathew 7:14. Are we for example trying to make this road a bit wider? This leads me again back to my first paragraph. Once again it’s good to discuss this but what I am scared of is that such issues would lead somehow to a general philosophy in the church that is based on the basic principles of this world and not on Christ, Col 2:7.

Moshir

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Having a scientific background, but caring very much about theology, I would humbly say I have some expertise in this discussion. A few thoughts off the top of my head:

Evolution, as was stated, is another story of the history of life. What the literal creationist has to contend with is that when it comes to accepted evidence nearly all the cards are sitting in the evolutionist’s hand.

However, the evolutionist needs to keep from overstepping his bounds. The story, as we know it, does not include life’s origins (a concept known as abiogenesis). In this regard we are still virtually bankrupt for good ideas of how life came about. (Many ideas will be thrown around in a conversation, but for those who have the expertise to understand them or read the actual scientific literature we can see they are easily dismantled and are the equivalent of scientific brainstorming where people get to throw out ideas to a currently unsolvable problem.)

So while the evolutionist may hold many cards in the evolution vs. stable species debate, he/she holds very few when it comes to origins.

Ultimately, in my opinion, the church should avoid trying to make philosophical (ie. religious) propositions sound scientific. It only leads to a mess. Our origin, however, is still a philosophical question and there we need not give ground.

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Hi Andrew,

Can I suggest a re-imagining of Genesis.

But first, not all stories are created equal. It matters whether a story has a correlation with what happened. If it does not correlate with reality to some degree, it can not give meaning to that reality.

Rather than “narratives of purpose and design”, why not simply give in to narratives of birth with the unfolding of freedom and contingency dancing with universal necessity, and see what that does to theology. What would it be like if the universe were “designed” with freedom to create itself, and develop its own free dance, rather than with a God ordained purpose.

Throughout the days of creation, light undergoes a “differentiation” or “symmetry breaking” as it is separated into light and darkness. The same differentiation happened with the separation of land and water, and then day and night. Day dies to give night, out of which day emerges again, the heartbeat of our earth, echoing the cycle of star birth and death in the universe. During these days, the universe is differentiating to provide greater complexity and the cycle of death and rebirth is established.

This is also how a fetus develops, with a membrane separating the new life from darkness of the womb, the steps of cellular differentiation from the primal streak out of which develops the Central Nervous System, through to the differentiation for internal organs which give rise to their own rhythms such as the heartbeat and sleep cycles. Also at a cellular level, cells begin undergoing a birth/death cycle.

And it is most obviously seen in the development of a family, as children are first protected and nurtured within the family, then differentiate themselves from their parents, then form their own families and other webs of relationships before they die, making way for new children.

The “days of filling” (4-6) can be viewed as stages of increasing complexity as organisms interact with their environment and with each other, birthing new species by differentiating and then dying to give room for yet more species. There is no apparent purpose or design, it is the cycle, the flow of life on earth as in the whole universe, birth/death, creation/destruction, in freedom.

As an organism with the power to consciously change our world, ethics is created and we choose to control our birthing and destructive impulses. But that does not imply that creation was purposefully “designed” for us, or us for it. Instead, there is freedom to dance within the cycles of life and death that can be seen in Genesis 1, if you look.

As for Genesis 2 … Lets see what happens when mankind awakens to the terrifying responsibility of creating ethics and morality, our control over our procreative and destructive impulses. We can choose to be free and become part of the creative process, or choose to give up our freedom in the hope that God will let us back into the garden if we feign incapacity to make our own moral decisions.

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I personally like to mix a couple of pan*en*theistic characters into the narrative. It gives the story more feeling. I’ve got a poetic-prose version that explains it all better but it’s also several times longer :-)

In the end all origins stories are just created by people to convey meanings that we want to share, usually with political or religious baggage as a hook. I personally can’t be bothered with them anymore as people get mixed up, trying to making reality conform to their new favourite story.

Better to forget the stories and try to live constructively in the world around us.

Re: What evangelicals fight about: creation

Thanks for taking time with this topic it is one that still draws much thought and conflict between believers. My commentary on this topic is very simple. It is about the who rather then the how. I think it is more important to say that “the earth was formless and void and the Spirit hovered over the deep.” So however it happened, it has happened, and it happened just as God wanted it to.

Secondarily, this debate usually goes back to people who try to defend God. The reason people care about this, is that they feel if they lose this argument somehow their faith is gone. I go a different direction and say, let God defend God, we don’t need to. Be informed, understand the various positions, but be okay with not having an answer. Especially with people who are post-modern, I find i have much better discussions when I can discuss my experience of God, and my beliefs, rather then trying to win a debate that can literally go on forever.

Just my thoughts.

Re: What evangelicals fight about: creation

The bigger question may be: What are we doing to honor God as our Creator?… Or to celebrate His incredible design of an awesome world, and to revere Him for making us in His image?… Or to thank Him for being our creator, sustainer and savior?

I would encourage all Christians to Celebrate Our Creator — and express and share our love for our Creator with others. It’s so important that we counter people who dismiss God as our creator — and give credit where credit is due! Surely the Lord deserves our reverence, worship and love.

The Global Institute For Transformation has developed a joyful curriculum and spiritual material to help facilitate this. Celebrating our Creator can be so foundational to sustaining and building the faith!
http://institutefortransformation.com/youth/celebrate_creator.htm

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