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Should we still be making disciples?

I have argued a couple of times recently that Jesus’ post-resurrection instruction to his followers to make disciples of all nations, which we call the Great Commission, is actually more restricted in its scope than we have traditionally understood it to be. There was some discussion of this point under What is a missional church? And why I think Mark Driscoll is wrong; but you could also have a look at Matt. 28:16-20 - The not so Great Commission.

My basic argument is that the instruction is given within a pressing and historically relevant eschatological horizon and with a limited purpose in mind. So first, the reference to the ‘end of the age’ has in view the war against Rome and the destruction of Jerusalem; and in light of that, secondly, we should suppose that Jesus’ purpose was to ensure that this new community of restored Israel, centred around his disciples, would be securely established as an international movement, in fulfilment of eschatological hopes outlined chiefly in Isaiah, before national Israel was consumed by the foreseen political catastrophe. To be baptized in the name of the Father who restores Israel, of the Son who suffers in expectation of being vindicated, and of the prophetic and renewing Spirit was to be initiated into a community of eschatological transition, through whose faithfulness and endurance the people of God would be saved from destruction - and indeed, from historical irrelevance.

If this is correct - if as a matter of strict biblical interpretation we should read this is as a contextually limited instruction analogous to Moses sending spies into Canaan to spy out the land - are we then to assume that this Great-ish Commission has no relevance for the ‘post-eschatological’ church, the church after AD 70 or after the collapse of Roman paganism - or however we wish to characterize the ‘end of the age’? A friend recently sent me the following comments, which provides a good opportunity to draft a response to that question.

I was interested to note your view that the Great Commission was set in the context of disciples living in the expectation of the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, which makes a lot of sense to me. I read the discussion on Open Source Theology but would be interested in more detail as to how your understanding of the Great Commission affects the church today. As far as I see, your argument is that the task of making disciples needs to be looked at in the immediate context in which a local church finds itself. Is this a fair summary?

Historical truth is not inferior to metaphysical truth

I would insist, in the first place, that the fact that Jesus’ commission to his disciples relates to a particular moment or period in the history of the people of God does not mean that it has no relevance to the church today. But the relevance it has must be construed, in the first place, historically or narratively. We find this difficult because our modern minds are so accustomed to dealing with religious ideas on an ahistorical or existential or metaphysical basis. We make the Platonic assumption that historical reality is somehow inferior to abstract, absolute, and universal truth. So we can’t help but think that if we shrink the Great Commission to these restricted historical proportions, we have diminished its religious value in some way. I don’t think that’s the case.

I think that the effect is rather to elevate the significance of the community as it relates to God not merely in its geographical or cultural context but in its narrative context. Not least at a time when the future of the church is very much a cause for concern in the West, it is important to recognize that scripture is always preoccupied both with the past and the future of the people - that is, with the narrative which is continually being told in order to account for its existence. We have forgotten how to do that because we have come to think of the church as an unchanging entity, doing what Jesus told us to do, happily floating along on the river of history, paying little attention to the passing scenery - or the treacherous rapids that lie ahead. What a historical reading of the New Testament teaches us is that we are not the early church; we have to learn to trust God, make sense of what it means to call ourselves the ‘people of God’, under our own pressing historical circumstances.

To my mind that does not diminish but rather enhances the ‘truth value’ of scripture. It is of enormous importance to us that Jesus sent out followers to make disciples from all nations who would learn the radical obedience and trust necessary for a people - communities, fellowships, churches - to walk the narrow path leading to life. But the question still remains.

Should we still be making disciples?

To be a disciple of Jesus was to learn to walk the road that he walked, which meant leaving behind family and home and livelihood, enduring rejection and vilification, proclaiming that the God of Israel had acted in defiance both of national Judaism and pagan Rome in raising Jesus from the dead, quite possibly facing imprisonment, physical punishment and death, clinging to the hope that through all this they would be vindicated as a community along with Jesus. This is not some sort of generic, one-size-fits-all, Sunday-school discipleship: it is the specific adoption of a radical calling and a radical lifestyle under the extreme eschatological conditions that are foreseen in the New Testament. It is a quite literal ‘imitation of Christ’ - a willing participation in his sufferings and vindication, which is why I think there is a problem with current approaches to mission and church that focus on the person of Jesus in isolation from his narrative context (see also Being a disciple of Jesus is not enough).

So how do we proceed from here? The New Testament defines a community of eschatological transition, called and discipled for that purpose. But this community makes that transition in Christ, through the upheaval of war, the devastation of national Judaism, and the eventual bankrupting of Roman paganism, for the sake of a people of God that was always meant to be ‘new creation’. I see this as a much more expansive, creative, humane, social, encultured vocation than the definition of a Christ-like community that we find in the New Testament. But I also think that this post-eschatological ‘new creation’ vocation is anticipated in the New Testament, not least in the emergence of the conviction that the Jesus who died and was raised for the sake of the historical restoration of the people of God is also the one through who all things are made. The one who is ‘firstborn from the dead’ is also ‘firstborn of all creation’ (Col. 1:15, 18).

The New Testament community located itself primarily in the story of the one who suffered and was vindicated, the story of the Son of man, the ‘firstborn from the dead’, who was eventually given victory over the pagan oppressor; and it undertook the task of discipleship on that basis. The post-eschatological community - that is, the church as we know it - locates itself primarily in the bigger story about the renewal of creation, in the story of the cosmic Christ, the ‘firstborn of all creation’; and we do ‘discipleship’, if we want to retain the term, on that basis. But then discipleship becomes learning how to do life well, learning how to exploit and experience the fulness of life that is found in this cosmic Christ, as a prophetic sign that God is creator and that he will not ultimately be rendered ineffectual or redundant by the corruption of creation. That is a possibility for us because the early church pursued a much narrower and much more constrained form of discipleship, taking up its cross in imitation of the one who suffered and was raised from the dead.

But then again…

Having said that, it is important to recognize that we are always ‘new creation’ under difficult conditions: there are always contextual challenges. In particular, the church in the West is having to learn how to be authentically and prophetically ‘new creation’ after Christendom, and there is perhaps some point to seeing that situation as analogous to the situation of the early church: we are in structural transition, and this imposes constraints on the life of the community to which our ‘discipleship’, if we choose to retain the term, must adapt (see also We have to go back, but not to square one). So I think that we have to ask ourselves serious questions about how we shape and develop communities that will successfully make the journey from Christendom - or from the modern church, if that is easier to get a handle on - to whatever lies ahead.

Perhaps in that thought of shaping communities lies a key to what it means to do discipleship as ‘new creation’ under present conditions. Modern ecclesiology has put the emphasis on making individual disciples - though ironically any individuality was usually ironed out in the process. In our post-modern, post-Christendom context I suggest that we need to think much more in terms of fashioning a certain type of community life, a certain type of culture, adapted to local conditions, but cognizant of the community’s place in the narrative.

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Re: Should we still be making disciples?

Fascinating thoughts, Andrew. I am convinced that—interpreted in its narrative-historical context—the Great Commission did originally have a narrower vision than the use to which many subsequent interpreters have put it—for example, to conquer the world for Christ (colonialism being an obvious example). At the very least, this observation indicates that we should see our local contexts as mission fields.

I then wonder, however, how participation “in the story of the cosmic Christ” can avoid falling into a triumphalism similar to that of the past—following the Lord of the cosmos, after all, could lead persons to some grand visions and efforts. Perhaps it is here that indwelling the story of Jesus of Nazareth (pre-resurrection and pre-ascension) has value—as a safeguard against a kind of imperialism that more resembles the way of the empire that killed Jesus than the way of the kingdom he proclaimed and practiced. Another way of putting my concern would be this: On what basis do we encouage people to take seriously the teaching and example of Jesus—which have often been ignored or evaded? A cosmic Christ seems quite abstract to me.

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Well, yes, it’s all very fascinating. But it’s not new. Dispensationalism proposed, for instance, the sermon on the mount as an ‘interim ethic’ to meet the unique circumstances of the disciples to whom it was given. But history has delivered the verdict - historically, very few indeed bought this viewpoint.

To take the interpretation here offered, one wonders that the NT didn’t come with a health warning - so that we wouldn’t have misread it all these years. And that is the problem: is it really credible that a body of literature which has formed the community of faith from one generation to another should now be regarded as largely of historical interest only? Not only that, but the events central to that literature also of historical interest - applicable to people then, but not to people now.

However, the main reason that I have taken up my pen is to object to the way ‘Christendom’ (or its demise) is invoked to reinforce this wholesale revision of how we are to frame the faith for today’s world. ‘Christendom’, or something like it, has been hailed as dead for at least 150 years, long before the term post-modern was a twinkle in Andrew’s eyes, as I have pointed out in previous posts. And even if it was only now in its terminal stages (whatever it is), that would be no reason for accepting the necessity of Andrew’s reinterpreted version of the faith. It would be an argument for the church finding itself once again in the difficult situation of ‘pre-Christendom’ - in which the original context of the NT would become more alive to its adherents, not less.

In fact, ‘Christendom’ is a myth, in my opinion and reading of church history. The church as the community of faith has always been on the margins of society, as it is of the world - in every context in which it finds expression. Life is rather more complicated, I think, than the mythologised view of current history within which Andrew is placing his re-reading (and of course he is not alone in taking this ‘post-Christendom’ view - otherwise he wouldn’t be making it!).

Having said that, and another reason I have picked up my pen: we were looking at the subject of ‘discipleship’ in the home-group I am part of last night. ‘Discipleship’ seems to be as alien a concept to my fellow home-group members as Andrew suggests it should be - as an outmoded historical phenomenon. I’m assailed from all sides. But acting as ‘new creation’ people calls, to my mind, just as much for a contextualised interpretation of the teaching (and practice) of the gospels now as it did for Jesus’s followers then. It has both personal and corporate ramifications (let’s not be misled by the canard of setting one against the other). Or how else are we to obtain our bearings - other than from gnostic sources which have no particular yardstick of accountability?

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Well, Peter, I should say that I find your thoughts fascinating as well. And while I agree with Andrew that we are in a post-Christendom context, I find your contention that this development is an “argument for the church finding itself once again in the difficult situation of ‘pre-Christendom’ - in which the original context of the NT would become more alive to its adherents, not less” to be compelling.

While I think you are responding more to Andrew’s post than to mine, I want to clarify that I share your concern about the possibility of discipleship being confined to the first century. I tried to indicate as much in my concluding thoughts above.

Re: Should we still be making disciples?

I was about to remove my comment from the thread, when you posted your reply, Josh. Yes, my reply was more directed to Andrew, but to be fair to you both, I think there was a particular context Jesus would have had in mind concerning the disciples to whom the Great Commission and his discipleship teaching was given - namely, the world which they had known which was coming to an end within a generation. But I also think his teaching and Commission extends to a horizon beyong that of the disciples - which includes us.

You seem to equate extra-local missionary activity with a colonialist mentality - conquering the world for Christ; hence your preference for a more historically limited interpretation of the Great Commission (although wasn’t it also ‘colonialist’ in its limited historical context?). Is extra-local missionary activity necessarily colonialist in attitude, and what about the very many ‘non-local’ parts of the world (including within our own respective nations) where there is no Christian presence and witness? This is going beyond the original question which Andrew raised, but it seems from this and other threads that it is an issue which informs your interpretation of the Great Commission, for instance.

As far as the term Christendom is concerned - I still think it is being given mythical status to support the argument, and suffers from lack of any clear definition or historical support.

Re: Should we still be making disciples?

Keep looking, Gnostics had yardsticks. But you don’t need to re-adopt another ancient paradigm to believe or follow Christ in the 21st Century. Simply use the resources given to you as a modern man - see where that takes you. Honesty is the best policy, so don’t fret. If Jesus is who Matthew, Mark, Luke and John described, or at least somewhat agreed upon, then that freedom is his gift. As for your point regarding a “user’s warning” on the scripture, Christianity has expressed tremendous variability over the past two millennia, so its yardsticks are of varying length and come with different scales. Olde Tommy Torquemada may come to mind. He would have tortured a confession out of St. Peter as being a Crypto-Jew, if Peter were subject to that kind of intimidation, which he evidently was not. Also, I’m sure you’re aware that hundreds of faiths have come and gone over the 6 millennia of the written word. Right? So in this case past spirituality is not necessarily a prologue to modern spirituality. The logic displayed by your tome reminds me of those (such as Herr Driscoll) who contend the tenants of Christianity are proved by the sacrifice of the early martyrs. Hmmm…wait a second; Yep, there are many comparisons in history and in our modern world - people willing to die for their beliefs. So to simply rest on the traditions of earlier generations as proof of orthodox Christianity’s tenants is to neglect change when it stares you in the face. Change is the instrument of time – which we believe was somehow arranged by God.

Re: Should we still be making disciples?

And that is the problem: is it really credible that a body of literature which has formed the community of faith from one generation to another should now be regarded as largely of historical interest only?

Well, that depends on the extent to which the Hellenization of the Christian worldview in the early centuries constituted a departure from – a forgetting of – the original Jewish narrative framework that accounted for the story of Jesus and the emergence of an international church. That there was a departure seems undeniable. So it doesn’t seem to me too preposterous to suggest that with the (OK, disputed) end of Christendom we are at last emerging from this captivity to a worldview that is intrinsically alien to the biblical worldview, in which case we are bound to ask to what extent the understanding of scripture that has prevailed since then has been skewed by the Greek-Roman view of things.

The church as the community of faith has always been on the margins of society, as it is of the world - in every context in which it finds expression.

That is a rather snobbish and self-righteous view of the church. The fact is that for 1500 years or so Europe regarded itself as a Christian culture and sought to export that culture to other parts of the world. Yes, the ‘true’ church always tried to distinguish itself from a corrupt Christendom, but I would argue that both in its dissent and in its worldview it was still a product of Christendom. The Reformation, for all the good intentions of the reformers, was only Christendom cut down to national proportions. In America many of the deep cultural assumptions of Christendom are still powerfully at work – hence my friend Rita’s distress about the level of vitriol directed by conservative Christians against Barack Obama.

My problem with your defence of traditional formulations of the faith is that I suspect you are still in captivity to the Christendom or modern paradigm. My view is that the best hermeneutical strategy we have available genuinely to critique that paradigm and generate an authentically biblical alternative is the historical-narrative one. It differs from your approach essentially in that it places at the centre of our theology the historical existence of a community rather than the faith of the believing individual. That suggests the need to take seriously the present historical circumstances of the church. So although there is certainly something to be learnt from the transitional experience of the early church as it journeyed from nationhood to Holy Roman Empire, we have to consider the particular challenges of our current post-Christendom context.

It seems to me that it is highly appropriate biblically to regard this situation as eschatologically significant, but a narrative theology warns us against thinking of this in cyclical terms, as though every challenge can be resolved by going back to the early church and trying to recapture its pristine condition. Equally, discipleship needs to be adapted to the particular circumstances that we face. Jesus’ disciples had enough trouble dealing with their own situation. Why do we imagine that they were being trained by Jesus to deal with the situation of the post-Christendom church in the 21st century? That is historical nonsense.

My argument is not against discipleship per se. Your home group experience is beside the point. I am arguing against a model of discipleship that is either too narrow (fitted to the limited religious experience of the modern church) or historically anachronistic (a fictive attempt to imagine that we are called to do what Jesus’ disciples had to do).

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1.Hellenisation of the Christian worldview and departure from the original Jewish narrative framework

Agree that there has been both. Disagree that a course-correction as drastic as you are proposing correctly interprets the original Jewish narrative framework. The teaching (and ministry) of Jesus contextualises just as much in today’s world as it did then. Both Abrahamic narrative and Isaianic/prophetic framework point to a universal significance of Israel’s history. Jesus places himself squarely in that narrative.

Also disagree that the, accepted, Hellenisation of the Christian worldview in the early centuries produced a different faith from what would have been the case if the Jewish narrative framework had been more closely adhered to. We just have very different views of what that framework entailed.

2. The ‘community of faith’ on the margins of society as of the world.

Nothing snobbish or self-righteous here at all. There are huge problems equating 1500 years of European history with biblical Christianity. Bring ‘Christendom’ into the argument if you like, but whoever said that ‘Christendom’ (whatever that might mean) was the same as biblically-based Christian faith?

The church as community of faith (like the phrase or not) necessarily lives in tension with society and the world, and necessarily cannot be identified with the prevailing culture or society. If it is so identified, it ceases to point towards the new creation which it is called to prophetically embody. There never will be a ‘new creation’ prevailing on the earth in society or culture this side of the resurrection. That’s even where a majority may identify themselves with the Christian faith. ‘Christendom’ is therefore a highly problematic concept from every point of view, not least historical accuracy.

I agree that the historical/narrative paradigm is a good critique of the modern paradigm. I am not as much in captivity to the ‘Christendom’ or modern paradigm as you seem to think. And I don’t think you have fully understood the historical/narrative paradigm of the Jewish narrative framework - the more of which I understand, the more blatantly it seems to me to have a worldwide, universal relevance built in from the outset, throughout and to the end, which Paul, for instance, easily adopted once he knew Jesus was Israel’s Messiah.

3. Individual and corporate interpretations

I am increasingly seeing the need, and dramatic shaping effect, of the believing community as the focus of the scriptural texts - possibly more even than yourself. But these same texts never eliminated the role and responsibility of the believing individual - which seems to be where some anti-modern/postmodern thought wants to take us.

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Jesus’ disciples had enough trouble dealing with their own situation. Why do we imagine that they were being trained by Jesus to deal with the situation of the post-Christendom church in the 21st century? That is historical nonsense.

This is actually a sweeping generalisation. Jesus was training his disciples to deal with their situation. The principles also adapt themselves to different historical contexts, including our own. If the church has gone astray, it is by abandoning the principles in favour of what you call a Christendom paradigm, and has always done well to return to the principles. Your proposal for a ‘post-biblical’ faith opens the doors wide for - well, just about anything, since the principles of the faith abandon their historic anchorage.

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My argument is not against discipleship per se. Your home group experience is beside the point. I am arguing against a model of discipleship that is either too narrow (fitted to the limited religious experience of the modern church) or historically anachronistic

Discipleship always needs to be contextualised. We may not roam the countryside quite like Jesus’s disciples (although throughout history, many revivalist movements have produced such a radical detachment from the normal modes of social life and behaviour), but there is just as much a place for small groups of Jesus’s followers getting together to share and open up their lives to each other, and to work out what it means to apply Jesus’s teaching in today’s context.

Re: Should we still be making disciples?

Both Abrahamic narrative and Isaianic/prophetic framework point to a universal significance of Israel’s history. Jesus places himself squarely in that narrative.

I can agree with both those statements and still maintain that the story about Jesus as it is told in the Gospels (a rather different story is told about him subsequently) only really makes sense in its immediate eschatological setting. That is not to say that we cannot find useful examples and precepts in the teaching that he gives his disciples; it is certainly not to say that we have no reason to acknowledge Jesus as Lord. But it recognizes the constraints of the Gospel genre and of the particular historical challenge that resulted from Jesus placing himself squarely in the prophetic framework.

I think it is too easy to dissociate the believing community from Christendom as a dominant Christian culture. From a historical point of view the story of the church from Constantine until the 20th century looks very much like the story of Old Testament Israel, only translated from national to imperial dimensions. In both instances you have a people professing to worship the creator God, organized hierarchically, and challenged by dissenting prophetic voices. What you call the true believing community, I would regard as the prophetic voice that critiques the frequently corrupt and misguided institutions that otherwise dominate the life of the people.

The reason I don’t think we can simply dismiss Christendom as a bothersome distraction is that it actually matched extremely well the future that is projected from the New Testament: it brought an end to suffering, it entailed the defeat of paganism, it led to the global vindication of Jesus and of his loyal followers. OK, it came to be a highly ambiguous fulfilment - but then national Israel was a highly ambiguous fulfilment of the hopes generated in the Abrahamic narratives. What is different in Christ is that we are this people under grace rather than under Law, but we have no reason to expect that the people of God under Christ will be free of the political and moral and spiritual and cultural failings that characterized Christendom.

But these same texts never eliminated the role and responsibility of the believing individual - which seems to be where some anti-modern/postmodern thought wants to take us.

Come on, Peter, read it carefully. I never said ‘eliminated’. I said exactly what you said, except I used the word ‘centre’ rather than ‘focus’.

Your proposal for a ‘post-biblical’ faith opens the doors wide for - well, just about anything, since the principles of the faith abandon their historic anchorage.

Look, we approach the texts with incompatible hermeneutics. That’s fine. But this statement is simply wrong. Setting Jesus within his historical and eschatological context does not in itself lead to an abandonment of the historic anchorage of the principles of faith. The fact that Old Testament Israel regarded the exodus as a historical experience did not lead to an abandonment of the historic anchorage of the principles of Old Testament faith in God as redeemer, etc. On the contrary, it was precisely by reminding the people of this seminal event that the prophets recalled the people to their historic identity as a chosen people.

We may not roam the countryside quite like Jesus’s disciples…

That is trivializing my argument, and you know it. Jesus didn’t simply call his disciples to roam the countryside. He called them to participate actively in a story about the Son of man who would take up his cross, be rejected by the Jews, be handed over to the Gentiles for savage ill-treatment, but who would eventually be vindicated for his faithfulness under the extreme conditions of eschatological transition. To make that a standardized model of discipleship is like educating people to defend modern democracy by teaching them to think and live and act like the troops who went over the top in the First World War. Their loyalty is inspirational, but it will be of only limited use in equipping us today to deal with the corruption of our democratic system by self-serving members of parliament. We’re not at the same point in the story of Western democracy. We are not at the same point in the story of the people of God.

Re: Should we still be making disciples?

I think a crucial weakness in your presentation is your view that Jesus became something different following his presentation in the gospels - and that his worldwide, universal significance was a subsequent development.

I think this is wrong for at least two reasons (apart from the improbability of one set of NT writings being different from the rest, for which you have provided arguments, but I think they do not do justice to the evidence of the material).

First, the governing narrative of Abraham always assumed that worldwide blessing and descendants would come from Abraham. The very heart of the narrative was not a localised story of a nation and her deity. This governing narrative frames the story of Jesus and the gospels - even if, to a large extent, it is an implicit narrative. You simply cannot read the story of Jesus as separate from the background governing story of Israel herself - the story of Abraham.

Second, the governing narrative of the Exodus is also taken up in the gospels - but in a way which I do not think you have noticed. This narrative runs throughout the gospels, reaching a climax in the last supper and the death of Jesus. But it is framed through the perspective of Isaiah, who describes a second, or new Exodus which would eclipse the former. Isaiah presents this in imagery of the Exodus, such as the wilderness turning to fruitfulness (eg John the Baptist introducing Jesus’s ministry and the subsequent ministry itself). Jesus’s miracles are the Isaianic echo of the Exodus miracles. Jesus’s ministry and teaching is the work of the new Moses, the Son of David, who paradoxically becomes associated with the suffering servant figure. Isaiah is a major interpretive key to the gospels.

Isaiah takes up the worldwide thrust of the Abrahamic narrative, the salvation features of the Exodus narrative, and adds to these further eschatological features, such as the work of the Spirit, and eventually resurrection from the dead. Each of these features provides the framework of a worldwide significance for Jesus contained in the kernel of the Gospels.

Your other points are less important; I think the Christendom argument is unproven until you or anyone has defined what the term means, and whether there is any historical justification for saying it defines the history of the church for 1500 years. Your final points about the disciples place them in a paradigm which I think ignores the wider points I have just been making. You have to look at the larger picture, which is also the biblical picture, in a historical/narrative framework.

Re: Should we still be making disciples?

Josh, the point is well taken. My way of dealing with the danger of a cosmic triumphalism (it sounds rather absurd when put that way) would probably be to emphasize that this is in the first place a prophetic notion, expressed through the character and loyalty of the people of God as a microcosm of creation. I do not think the calling of the church is to dominate or assimilate everything into itself. I think it is to embody an alternative ‘reality’ or world, in the midst of and distinct from the nations, as a sign that the God whom we worship, who dwells at the centre of our reality, is the Creator of all things.

I would keep in mind also the fact that our small world is safeguarded or ruled over by the one who died and rose again: being new creation is still only an extension of the story of Jesus’ death and resurrection. I think that it is primarily this seminal ‘faithfulness’, rather than the historically determined context of Jesus’ life, that ensures that we are new creation as recipients of the gift of grace. My eschatological argument is merely that we arrive at this by way of the story of the Son of man, which is the story of the suffering and vindication of the early community.

Then perhaps finally, I would stress that in a fragmented, pluralistic postmodern world we should be much less inclined towards cultural imperialism. I hope we have learned some lessons here. As ‘new creation’ we must somehow embrace the full scope of authentic God-given existence – worship, creativity, community-based justice and compassion, ecological integrity. But we should be able to choose to do that with contextual sensitivity rather than as a matter of global assimilation into a new cultural orthodoxy.

Re: Should we still be making disciples?

Andrew, I think you have heard and share my concerns. And I find your ecclesiology compelling. The question I continue to wrestle with has to do with the language Christians use. How much does our language merely describe reality, and how much does it create reality? While I believe “our small world is…ruled over” by Jesus (for example), I wonder if language other than that of rulership is not needed to make us “less inclined towards cultural imperialism.”

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