is jesus god?

i am someone new to christianity. i read the doctrine of the trinity it states all the three persons in the trinity are the same,however after reading from the bible i found that there are numerous verses which prove that jesus is, not same as the father.here are some of them:
1)(Jesus said) “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” -John 17:3
jesus here calls the only true god and himself as different persons.
2)”Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.” -John 14:28

here jesus clearly says his father is greater than him.if the trinity is based on equality of father,son and holy spirit then how can one be greater than the other.
3)”Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” -John 20:17 (see Micah 5:4).

here jesus calls the father as god then how can jesus be god.
4)(Jesus said) “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” -Mark 13:32

here jesus says no one knows of the hour of judgement except the father not even the son
clearly the son is not the same as the father.
then how can jesus be god?he is clearly different from the father who he calls god,then why is jesus called god?
5) Timothy 2:5
jesus is only called as a mediator between man and god.
6) Mark 16:19
jesus is said to sit on the right hand of god, if he is god? then how does he sit on the right hand of god.

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Re: is jesus god?

Always glad to talk with someone new to Christianity. Unfortunately, you have some misunderstandings of the trinity. You say, “. i read the doctrine of the trinity it states all the three persons in the trinity are the same”. That’s incorrect. The doctrine stats that there is one being God who exists in three persons. 3 whos 1 what. So they are no the same. If they were the same then they would only be one not three. The trinity is not that 3 =1. Since the doctrine stats they are different you’re verses really don’t apply. Keep on searching and learning.

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i understand that trinity is not 3=1 but could you explain the verses which i have posted they clearly imply that jesus is different from god.how can jesus be god and be at the right hand of god
at the same time.has he fused with god or become a part of god once again.

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I am utterly suprised that such a newly adopted brother in Christ understands this. I see many people professing to have been ‘saved’ for years still follow what they have been taught, not by God, but what they are shown and taught by man. Keep up the great work!

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Brother,

Anyone who says they understand the Trinity is deluding themselves. If you’re having difficulty digesting it, consider yourself in good company!

I don’t necessarily have anything to add to the previous comment (i.e. 3 who’s 1 what), but your basic question seems to be “Is Jesus God?” It would be tempting (and so Baptist of me) to just give you a bunch of proof texts and expect that to seal the deal. The fact of the matter is any clown with a concordance and a study Bible can find the verses that support Jesus’ Divinity (all the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form, etc). Let me instead tell you that after thinking about this question at length for 10 years, I keep coming back to the same answers:

Yes, Jesus is God.

Yes, this is very hard to accept.

Yes, I could be wrong, in which case my soul could be in jeopardy because I worship a man instead of the God of “pure” monotheism (YAWEH).

The problem for me is that no matter how hard I try, I can’t seem to get away from this Jesus – he’s everywhere! Human history was split in two at his coming (BC and AD). The calendar on my desk says “2009”, which begs the question “2009 years from what?” Even our secular State government (in Northern New England – nowhere near the Bible Belt) occasionally issues proclamations dated in the “Year of Our Lord, 200_”. Who is “Our Lord”, anyway?

Then there is the problem of the people that surround me. I know a lot of very different people: some old, some young, some conservative, some liberal, some professional, some working class (you get the picture). But virtually to a man, the ones that I most deeply respect would, if you had the opportunity to ask them face to face, tell you that Jesus is “God in a body”. Either Jesus really is God, or I am surrounded by lunatics!

Finally, I have to bring it down to the bottom line. I have asked myself whether I would worship God if Jesus did not exist, and the answer is no. I first became a Christian, not because I sought the Prime Mover or the Uncaused Cause of the philosophers, but because I was drawn in by stories about Jesus. This man from first century Palestine was (and is) incredibly attractive to me. By turns gentle and harsh, holy and earthy, he turned water into wine, healed the sick, raised the dead, enabled the blind to see and the deaf to hear. Oh yeah – there’s also the small matter of an empty grave. Questions of higher criticism aside, either Jesus is God, or Christianity is the greatest swindle of all time.

I am always glad to see a new Christian (and people in general) asking questions about Jesus. There is no question you can ask that will offend him. If you continue to seek with an open heart, I know you will find the truth. Remember that Jesus himself said that “whoever seeks, finds.”

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my faith comes from christ too i wasnt much of a believer in god ,evolution was my thing but there is something in jesus that made me a believer his sacrifice,his miracles make a believer out of me
i understand jesus is divine without being divine his death would not be for sin,as if he is a mere human then he is a sinner himself and then he cant save others.he has to be divine to redeem others from their sin.

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I agree. I once heard a person (who represented herself as a Christian) gloss over her own failings by saying, “Oh well, Jesus wasn’t perfect and neither am I”. I gently tried to explain to her that if Jesus isn’t perfect, there is no sacrifice for sin.

As far as evolution goes, I have no particular feelings. Even if it turns out to be true, I’m still going to follow Jesus.

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even though i understand jesus is divine i call him by term son of god for there are numerous
verses in bible where he is praying to tha father so he is not the same person as the father .i also understand he is divine in flesh i.e. god in flesh but he is not the same person as the father as the
verses i have posted earlier show that he is different.
my understanding of jesus is (correct me if i am wrong) that god separated a part of himself which
came down as the holy spirit and that jesus is concieved from that holy spirit.so jesus is in essence has the same spirt as god but is a different person that explains why he is called the second person in the trinity as he is a different person from the father.

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I don’t know if it could be said that God separated part of himself. My understanding of this issue (which is limited, at best) is that Jesus is a different person from God the Father, but of the same substance. Likewise for the Holy Spirit, so that there are three persons, but only one substance.

In much the same manner, Jesus himself is one person with two natures: one human and one Divine. “…concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh (human nature); And declared to be the Son of God with power (Divine nature), according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead….” (Romans 1.3-4).

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thanks a lot disciple320 i think i got the answer to my question.anyway i havent told you something about me i was very depressed, sometimes i wished my life would end before but my new faith in christ has worked as a miracle for me,my friends are telling me that i am a new man now.i have stopped relying on medication now, my faith has given me a new reason to live.

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I’m so glad to hear it john13, faith in Christ is the best reason of all for living!

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thank you!

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