Mark Driscoll, the church and the supremacy of Christ
The Christian Associates Thinkings group will be getting together in the Hague in October to explore the question of what it means to proclaim Christ as Lord in a post-Christendom, post-modern and religiously pluralist Europe. With that in mind I recently got hold of a copy of a smallish book called The Supremacy of Christ in a Postmodern World, edited by John Piper and Justin Taylor, knowing full well that it was not going to be especially sympathetic to an emerging perspective. The chapter on ‘The Church and the Supremacy of Christ’ by Mark Driscoll caught my eye for a particular reason that I will come to later. The battle between Reformed and Emergents
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Re: Mark Driscoll, the church and the supremacy of Christ
This is a very interesting post and raises what seem to me to be very important issues about how Jesus is proclaimed in a (so-called) ‘post-Christendom’ and ‘post-modern, religiously pluralist Europe’. I make this contribution not simply as a theorist, but as one who has to grapple with the interaction of church, gospel and culture in a leadership role of a local church.
I think it was Don Carson who said ‘Damn all false antitheses to hell!’ The sentiments behind the statement are in no greater need of application than in the interaction of traditional and post-modern theology. Theological truths do not necessarily become obsolete through arising in particular historical or cultural contexts, just as the bible itself does not become obsolete for similar reasons. On the other hand, it is helpful to understand the culture and mindsets which produce theology, in order to give it a balanced critique. This would also be true of post-modern theology.
In the church to which I belong, for instance, we have enjoyed and benefited hugely from Rob Bell, in books like Velvet Elvis, and in the Nooma dvd clips. I thought Andrew handled Driscoll’s criticisms of Bell, drawn from Velvet Elvis, very perceptively. Nevertheless, I agree with Driscoll that there is something ‘serpentine’ about Bell’s theology. Look at the Nooma DVD ‘Breath’, for instance, and you might get the impression that the ‘Spirit of God’ is no more than a ‘God-given’ life which is common to all people - not a life whose source is quite different from human life. Bell’s ‘Everything is spiritual’ is, on the other hand, one of the best expositions of creation in Genesis which I have seen, circumventing entirely the unproductive modern debate about the scientific accuracy of the accounts.
So I tend to agree with what Driscoll is reported to have said in the relevant chapter from ‘The Supremacy of Christ in a Postmodern World’ - which is that a grasp of the incarnate Christ needs to be accompanied by an equal grasp of the authority of the exalted Christ. However, when it comes to his ‘ten theological issues’, I think he reverts to his own theologically encultured preferences, even prejudices. The ten issues are very open to debate. Of the ten, I would find myself in agreement with only 4.and 5. as issues which might be part of a formative hermeneutic. Of these, while ‘total depravity’ is a reformed doctrine belonging to a particular historical debate in a historical context, it goes beyond mere historical contingency as an acute observation on scriptural description of mankind, and the key biblical protagonists in particular. But I don’t see any emphasis on the central place of the cross of Jesus and its application throughout time and space, a clear emphasis of the entirety of the New Testament. I’m surprised this is not mentioned by Driscoll.
Finally, as one who has taken the time to read ‘The Coming of the Son of Man’, as well as Andrew’s subsequent books, and all of Andrew’s ‘position’ posts on this site, I think it is probably clear what Driscoll meant by describing Andrew’s eschatology as ‘overrealised’ (though for quite different reasons than the church at Corinth might, perhaps incorrectly, be criticised for having an ‘overrealised’ eschatology). The term is a technical, theological way of describing an eschatology which locates key ‘future’ events as having already taken place. For Andrew, this is reflected in his understanding of the NT focus on a ‘coming of Christ’ as having occured in AD 70, and less certainly, (or to my mind less convincingly) in a judgement on the Roman Empire. Since ‘overrealised’ is clearly a criticism, perhaps ‘fully realised’ would be a better alternative, though as Andrew says, there are still some key future events to occur within his theological framework. Perhaps there isn’t a simple phrase which contains the word ‘realised’ to describe it.
My central point would be that I think we are foolish if, in defending any theological position, we are drawn into wholesale dismissal of other points of view. I have crucial differences with Andrew’s interpretation of scripture as well as the conclusions to which I think it leads him, but I do not disagree with much of his methodology. I am sympathetic to Rob Bell, especially much of his line of thought in Velvet Elvis, but I sometimes think he fails to place an emphasis where it needs to be. I am by nature an adventurous theologian, enjoying the insights of Openness theology, but I am also increasingly appreciating the often much misrepresented insights of John Calvin.
Just as an exercise, try typing in ‘John Piper the six minute gospel’ into Youtube. I’m sure for Andrew, it would represent the misuse of scripture against which he contends. For me, not a total fan of Piper by any means, it is a powerful illustration of how scripture comes alive and applicable to many contexts beyond the immediately historical.
But the debate continues, and the subject of the Christian Associates conference is one of the key topics for our time. I’d love to be there. In view of an already busy and committed autumn, I’ll settle for any report or feedback given by Andrew on the site.
Re: Mark Driscoll, the church and the supremacy of Christ
Part of the answer, I believe, will be found as we scrape away the
thick layers of dogmatic reinterpretation that have built up over time
and learn to retell the biblical narrative on its own terms.
Scraping away layers of "dogmatic reinterpretation" is fine, but if you scrape away everything, what is left to content for?
And on what terms exactly are we retelling this narrative?
I think there are plenty of implicit acknowledgements of justice (and even worship) in the summary you provided … as for community or more explicit mentions of justice and worship, it simply doesn’t appear to be the topic of this chapter.
Re: Mark Driscoll, the church and the supremacy of Christ
I too want to hold onto the supremacy of Christ as being the cornerstone of my faith. Even so I know that in this postmodern world in which we live there is a desire to see God/ Christ as being in every aspect of our lives. There is a panentheism that is creeping into our Christian thinking that needs to be clarified, lest we begin to see God/Christ as Creation and created as being one and the same. Certainly there is need to see god/Christ as having a relationship with his Cration, but he is not part of his Creation. God/Christ is sovereign and above his Creation.
Re: Mark Driscoll, the church and the supremacy of Christ
So it’s sort of like “Reformed and never in any need of Reforming,” but we could stand to be a bit more like Jesus.
I bow before his ineffable logic.