Originally I intended to add a comment to Jacob’s excellent post-and-discussion about homosexuality and conservatism, but I thought it might be worthwhile to bring the Conservapedia into the limelight. Maybe I’m the only OST reader who hasn’t seen this thing, because it’s alive, it’s already big, and it’s growing fast. And it seems to have the homosexual plague lined up in its sites.
The Purpose section of the Editor’s Guide says that "Conservapedia is a Wiki-based encyclopedia coming from a conservative point of view, and does not pretend to be neutral, but does strive to be accurate and fair, and allow other points of view." The upper left corner of each entry displays Conservapedia’s logo, which is a circular American flag, along with its slogan: "The Trustworthy Encyclopedia." Since its launch just about a year ago, Conservapedia has accumulated more than 20,000 "educational, clean, and concise entries" and has racked up over 42 million page views.
According to the Statistics page, the single most popular entry, with more than 2 million views, is Homosexuality. This entry begins with a definition: "Homosexuality is sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one’s own sex." The first section of the entry is entitled "Biblcial Statements Regarding Homosexuality." It begins as follows: "In regards to homosexuality and the Bible, below are some Bible verses that condemn homosexuality."
The top ten most viewed Conservapedia pages are, in descending order: homosexuality, main page, homosexuality and hepatitis, homosexuality and parasites, gay bowel syndrome, homosexuality and promiscuity, homosexual couples and domestic violence, homosexuality and gonorrhea, homosexuality and anal cancer, homosexuality and mental health. One gets the sense not just that conservatives are obsessed with homosexuality, but that conservatism defines itself relative to homosexuality. The repeated association on these entries between homosexuality and illness conveys strongly the idea that homosexuality is a vector of disease, parasites, violence, madness — a virulent source of societal infection to which the Conservapedia is alerting us.
I’m reminded of another conservative educational campaign alerting conservatives to the threat of infection:
There are no good or bad parasites, decent or indecent parasites (lice!). The parasite always creeps up looking harmless, innocent, as if it belonged there. It is often attractive. It acts as an infection. A small cut, swelling, an abscess, poisoning, the destruction of the whole body. The infested body grows weak, sleepy, it resists no longer, produces no antibodies. The doctor notices, gives injections. Perhaps it is still not too late. If a host people shakes off the parasites and develops such strength that this purified people is admired in the whole world, there is the danger that all the host peoples will recognize the parasites as deadly foes and attempt to shake them off… Adolf Hitler brings salvation from the Jews not in a negative sense, but rather in the total return to health of our people’s body. He uncovers Jewish methods of betrayal, uncovers the parasitic principle of concealment… A German victory — the victory of the created order.
- from Parole 21: Den Juden kennen heißt den Sinn des Krieges verstehen!", Sprechabenddienst, Sept./Oct. 1944)
Andrew recently expressed frustration and even some embarassment at debating the inerrantists. Still, even if the combatants don’t change their positions, isn’t it important to take a stand? I’m not an evangelical — heck, I’m not even a Christian — but I get a sense that the conservatives continue to hold the high ground, not just exegetically but psychologically and politically. The emerging voice is clever but subtle and soft-spoken, looking for small gains and limited freedoms, not wanting to anger the conservative Big Daddy who still dominates the conversation. But if the emerging voice is to be a prophetic one, doesn’t it need to call loud and repeated attention to the incipient fascism that besets the church and that overflows into the broader culture?


Re: Conservapedia and the homosexuality question
Amen, brother!
I am in no way an inerrentist. But there is a real tension between the claim of inerrency on one hand, and, on the other hand, what is actually, concretely, and empirically written in the Holy Bible about “homosexuality.” That tension sits there like a big fat target just waiting.
It is difficult to claim inerrency about the issue of “homosexuality” when it is clearly not in the Bible. The point has to be to insist on the contradiction and hypocrisy of maintaining that tension. Call the claim and tension into question. Make “homosexuality” in reference to the Holy Bible a facile gesture—an illegitimate gesture.
We have to stop talking about “homosexuality.” It is a category that carries far too much baggage because of recent political debates (1980-present), especially in the US.
At the same time, the issue (whatever you want to call the issue), will not disappear. But it can be changed, reframed, reformulated, looked at anew, talked about anew, etc.
Where do we draw this language from? The Holy Bible, of course. The problem is that the tie that binds “homosexuality” to the Bible is strong—seemingly fixed. But we know that meaning is not stable. The tie that binds can be dissolved and new language introduced from the Bible with imaginative interpretations. Look at what Paul actually says—the language he actually uses. Look at the relationship between David and Jonathan (1 Samuel 18:1-5). And there are countless other ways to approach the issue.
I’m in full agreement with john doyle—loud repetition, like the hammering of a piece of metal, is warranted at some level. But that can’t be all of it. Repetition is key, although maybe not so loud. A multipronged approach, perhaps, where some are turning over tables in established institutions and others are teaching and healing according to a generous message of compassion and neighborly love and demonstrating a community spirit enlivened by God.
Re: Conservapedia and the homosexuality question
There was a fascianting discussion on Jesuscreed not long back and even more recently one at theosproject, both of which had to do with ‘the issue of ‘homosexuality’ and in which the conservative voice was not that prominent. I’m wondering whether with this issue in particular, the conservatives haven’t painted themselves into a corner?
For one thing, homosexuality (still very hidden in the closet) does seem to be quite prevalent amongst conservatives - whatever be their public stance.
For another thing, even conservatives do not eseem to believe most of the hype about the ills of homosexuality as a part of one’s lifestyle. The prevalence of worse problems that largely come from the breakdown of heterosexual families are much more worrying though not acknowledged as easily by conservatives, e.g. fact is that the proportion of single parents is rapidly increasing, having a tremendous negative impact on society. it may soon be felt that having two homosexual parents is better than having one struggling heterosexual one.
The fresh air of a healthy dose of pragmatism does seem to be in the air a bit more than it was say a decade ago and a good thing too. There is also the fact that while the cultural dominance of conservatism was taken for granted in the past, there are some indications both in politics and in culture that the conservative hegemony is at least now questionable.
Somehow, I don’t see that things like conservapedias are a force to be reckoned with however popular they may be. Just as there is growing resistance to the lists of ‘approved’ conservative scholars and exegetes, so too while there will be a guaranteed readership for conservapedias, the more this readership reads, the less they will be able to square what they read with the reality of life especially in a ‘question everything’, postmodern culture.
I also do believe, foolishly perhaps, that as our brothers and sisters get to know their Lord a little better, personally, and as he himself speaks and acts in the Gospels, they will realise that in the name of doctrine they are being fed with stuff that dishonors the Lord who always stood for the outcast, the downtrodden, the crushed in spirit, and all those shunned by conservopedic and law-enslaved culture.
Live to serve : Serve to live
Re: Conservapedia and the homosexuality question
"even conservatives do not eseem to believe most of the hype about the ills of homosexuality as a part of one’s lifestyle."
I can speak only hesitantly about my own country, the USA, and with no assurance at all about the rest of the world. In recent decades, American "family values" conservatives have focused more attention politically on opposing abortion and gay marriage than on other issues. In many states, conservatives have put anti-gay marriage legislation on the ballot in order to bring conservatives to the polls in greater numbers. Mike Huckabee, the fastest-rising Republican presidential candidate in opinion polls, is a former Baptist minister and an outspoken "family values" conservative who supports a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. So I’m not sure the religious right has gone away quite yet.
Outside the political sphere, the American public in general has progressively moved toward greater acceptance of homosexuality. This shift has also occurred to a lesser degree within conservative Christian circles. However, the public tends to associate anti-homosexual attitudes with Christian conservatism. So, as public opinion about gays goes up, opinion about fundamentalism and Biblical inerrancy goes down. The Christian conservatives recognize and resent this tendency. Maybe that’s partly why the Conservapedia hit rates are so high for anti-homosexuality topics: it’s an expression of solidarity in the face of an increasingly negative public image, which the fundamentalists attribute in large part to gay rights activists.
I don’t really know to what extent the more "liberal" emerging attitudes have penetrated American evangelicalism. I also don’t know to what extent a de-emphasis on inerrancy among emerging Christians is a response to broader societal trends supporting women’s equality and gay acceptance. Maybe the hard-core fundamentalists will find themselves increasingly isolated within their own churches. I don’t think it’s happened yet, though.
Re: Conservapedia and the homosexuality question
I think it’s fair to say that within the most conservative circles in America, those who are proud of their conservatism, there are a number of areas where there is a strong degree of ‘lag’ when compared to the rest of your nation. Perhaps the issue of women’s equality would be an even better benchmark here than that of homosexuality. But, the barriers to women in ministry are slowly breaking down, certainly within emerging circles and also amongst the more conservative denominations. The change over the last 30 years or so has been quite astounding.
The two issues that seem to incite the most vehemence now are homosexuality and abortion. As you point out, John, these two issues seem to have become some sort of a ‘last stand’ for conservative Americans. I wonder though whether coming generations will share their parents’ fervour on these issues. The de facto is of an unconscious laissez faire change in attitudes, as well as the realisation that these are issues that should be a matter of individual choice, may eventually win out.
On the other hand your country has swung in a more conservative direction politically. In the face of the hype on the ‘war on terror’, it seems that many Americans no longer feel safe with habeas corpus and other fundamental rights and freedoms (like free speech and privacy) that were taken very much for granted until 2004. The public do not even mind all that much that some individuals may need to be tortured for the common good. Will this also have an effect on the wider culture of freedom and the appreciation for individual rights? These contrapuntal forces are fascinating to watch - from a safe distance.
Live to serve : Serve to live
mike huckabee and homosexuality
Mike Huckabee now trails only Rudolph Giuliani in popularity among Republican candidates for the presidency. Here’s what he said about AIDS and homosexuality when he was running for the US Senate in 1992:
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So if we want to give this another shot, how is the emerging church going to offer alternative ways of thinking about homosexuality in light of all this hullabaloo?
Might I suggest that the Church shouldn’t get sucked in to the questions politicians are asking? Like Jesus, perhaps we need to reformulate and/or reframe the question. So rather than debating "what laws should we have about homosexuality?" which is just shy of asking Christians to run the world (or at least the U.S.), perhaps we can use our Christian metaphors, stories and virtues to talk about sexuality (because homosexuality is just one subset ‘issue’ in this larger question, right?).
Constructive proposal anyone?
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…perhaps we can use our Christian metaphors, stories and virtues to talk about sexuality…
That sounds like a constructive proposal. There is no point in talking about "homosexuality," though, as it is a highly politicized term that evokes heated struggle between politically entrenched advocates on two clear sides of an issue.
We have to change what we are talking about. And we should use the Holy Bible as the very substance from which we draw metaphors, stories and virtues to describe and talk about sexual relations.
For the issue to be framed as "homosexuality" is itself the first step in joining the political fray and becoming just another combatent.
Conservapedia on global warming
Here’s the introduction to the Conservapedia entry on Global Warming:
The main theme of this piece seems to be that "global warming" belongs in irony quotes because its effects are trivial and its causes uncertain, and that it is a political ploy of Democrat strying to show that Republicans are immoral and unconcerned about the environment. I don’t want to critique this "educational, clean and concise" entry point by point, since I suspect OST readers recognize its as conservative propaganda. However, as we watch the US once again weaseling its way out of a multilateral agreement for restricting fossil fuel emissions, we realize how this sort of thinking continues to be used as a "smoke screen" disguising America’s refusal to do the right thing.
Emerging American Christians need to decide how best to respond to this short-sightedness. Part of the debate hinges on whether environmental science is presenting an unbiased empirical forecast of likely changes in climate, water levels, etc. Emerging Christians often express a postmodern skepticism regarding the scientific "metanarrative." Isn’t this philosophical skepticism likely to play into conservatives’ hands when it comes to global warming? Then there’s emerging emphasis on a renewed creation — is this an eschatological concept, to be revealed in the life to come but not in this one? Does that absolve the church from getting involved in efforts to reduce emissions, not just among Christians but in the broader society?
Re: Conservapedia and the homosexuality question
“I’m not even a Christian — but I get a sense that the conservatives continue to hold the high ground, not just exegetically but psychologically and politically.”
I am curious, when did the persecution of others become the “moral high ground”? Or when was it established as a Christian principle or where in the Bible does Jesus say that Christians should persecute homosexuals.
I am new at being a Christian so I would like to hear from those more experienced as to where these references are located so that I can show them to the godless atheists when I am confronted by them.
Thanks