A letter to the global church from the Protestant Church of Smyrna
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Last month, three believers were brutally murdered in Turkey. The Protestant church in Smyrna, nearby where the killing occurred have written “a letter to the global church from the Protestant Church of Smyrna,” which is reproduced in its entirety below. My question to the “emerging church” is does it feel addressed by this letter, as part of ‘the global church’? I think this is a relevant question because many emerging church questions and responses seem to be concerned with re-engaging with a westernised church, society and culture. Consequently, from within the emergent-church culture, episodes such as this one in Turkey can seem both “out of left field” geographically and culturally and, even more starkly, may be viewed as “the inevitable result of confrontational evangelism” (some might say, evangelicalism). Thus, my question is does the emerging church feel addressed by this letter, as part of ‘the global church’? And if so, what is it saying to the emerging church? [Be warned: this does not make pleasant reading - Andrew.]
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I will be reading it to the gathering of Christians (emergent and otherwise) who meet in our home this evening
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Thanks John.
To my limited theological mind the incident is an acute echo of the New Testament story of the Son of man who suffered at the hands of his enemies and who was vindicated, who was not only Jesus but also those who would suffer with him. The language of the New Testament was shaped with this sort of experience in mind. These men were re-living and re-dying - in a limited sense at least - the formative experience of the church of Jesus Christ. The emerging church must understand where it comes from - and who its Lord is.
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I do not want to detract from the suffering and perseverance of our brothers and sisters here in any way whatsoever. May Jesus our Christ be with them.
However, I think that to see this in relation to Early Church persecutions is a grave mistake and enforces an 'us-and-them' mentality.
These activities are arising out of the 'tribal' mindset of the persecutors, and to respond by likening this to the Early Church is to enforce that tribal mindset.
The Early Church was a small sect, they did not choose to be a 'tribe,' they just were a tribe of sorts. The Church today has evolved into a very different body. We cannot respond with the same tribal mindset that we could have had as the small sect that we were in the early days.
Due to the size and reaches of the Contemporary Christian Church we must respond as a gloabl community comfortable in ourselves and without need of the tribal mindset.
A tribal mindset becomes defensive and mistrusts the testimony of a converted Paul. A tribal mindset views these persecutions as an attack on their own little community detached from the gloabl communty, christian & non-christian. We are a gloabl church and we cannot afford to do that.
A global community mindset seeks to deliver the persecutors from their tribal mindset and places these persecutions within the realms of the persecuted throughout all lands for whatever reason, christian & non-christian. A gloabl community seeks freedom not for the Christian Church but freedom for all. A gloabl community views this not as an attack on Jesus Christ or an attack on the Christian Church but rather as an attack on the freedom of spirituality and religion, living and life which Jesus Christ and the Christian Church seek to bring.
Again, I don't want to detract from the persecution and the suffering, but I don't think that New Testament parallels are the best way forward in these circumstances in 2007.
'without just one nest a bird can call the world home life is your career' (Haiku courtesy of Chuck Palanhiuk, Fight Club)
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A gloabl community views this not as an attack on Jesus Christ or an attack on the Christian Church but rather as an attack on the freedom of spirituality and religion, living and life which Jesus Christ and the Christian Church seek to bring.
In which case, please count me out of this 'global community'.
Rather, I'll take Jesus' own words, such as "If they hated me, they will hate you for loving me" and "You will be persecuted by all nations for my name's sake".
These men did not die for the sake of a 'global community', and they were not killed because they preached such a concept. They died for the Gospel and their love of Christ.
To try to co-opt this event as a soapbox for 'religious inclusion' is inane. NT parallels are the best, because those NT believers stood by each other in persecutions and the injustices they suffered at the hands of non-believers. They knew it was an 'us and them' reality, but instead of responding with revenge to injustice, they did so with love and a firm declaration of the Gospel.
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You have misunderstood. The global community I refer to is the Church. What I'm saying is that the Church must now respond as a global community, with all the 'power' and responsibility that comes with that. Not as a small sect as we were in the days of the Early Church.
We have evolved into a different body, and are responding in a different world. We must respond as the body we have become, and respond within the world in which we live.
I suggest that my post is re-read with this post in mind.
'without just one nest a bird can call the world home life is your career' (Haiku courtesy of Chuck Palanhiuk, Fight Club)
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You have misunderstood. The global community I refer to is the Church.
Then I apologize for not understanding. I'm still not certain I agree with all you said, but I am glad that you did correct me on that.
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I will apologize now and simply say that what you have written is way to deep for me. I am simply not up to sifting a response to John’s original posting and the letter within it through Palanhiuk’s Haiku. That’s probably just me reacting negatively because I didn’t like Fight Club-the book or the movie. What exactly are you saying?
To be perfectly honest my “natural” reaction (my carnal nature-if anyone holds to the foolishness that we have such a thing)was/is anger, no, rage at the savage actions of committed Islamists whose evangel is done at the point of the sword, in the flash of a nuclear weapon or through the ravages of a bio-terror holocaust. Given that Islam spans many tribes and tongues and has as great a global reach as the global Christianity you write about, it seems to me that a depiction of the murderers of these Christians as some sort of isolated, poor, backward tribe paints a false picture of who the murderers are and what they desire.
None of which actually matters in the context of John’s post and his question. I think the answers for John and for all of us can be found in the responses of the martyrs’ loved ones. Pray for the persecutors. Pray not for persecution to cease but for the ability persevere. Pray for the young persecutors to come faith in Christ. That kind of love, I believe, is the response Jesus has set by his own example for his global Church. I believe the letter John shared is reminding the Church that faith in Christ at times has a fierce cost and that love (the active verb) is faith in action.
Reading these responses from the brothers and sisters in the trenches who are risking their lives and do not have the protection of world wide web anonymity in the practical application of their theology and Christianity gives me some small hope that I can move past foolish rage and tears of anger and sadness and into something resembling a Christ-like response and attitude like the love demonstrated in that terrible (in the old sense of that word) letter.
“The language of the New Testament was shaped with this sort of experience in mind. These men were re-living and re-dying - in a limited sense at least - the formative experience of the church of Jesus Christ. The emerging church must understand where it comes from - and who its Lord is.” Thank you for that bit of wisdom Andrew. I found it edifying, comforting and bracing.
Thank you John for sharing this with us and bringing us to our senses.
Alario
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Let me try this again…
The idea you expressed seemed to be that the main culprits in this martyrdom were people who suffered from a 'tribal mindset', and that we should be more of a 'global mindset'.
I find these terms to be vague, as well as speculative. Also, I think they cover up the real issue—that these missionaries were giving the true Gospel to these people, and that some who rejected it then took it upon themselves to try to silence those proclaiming the Gospel.
The issue, to my mind then, has not to do with mindsets, but with those Christian 'cliches' of saved and lost, redeemed and not redeemed, those of Christ and those of the devil.
Which also brings up a second point—the idea that viewing these martyrs as we view NT martyrs somehow enforces and 'us-and-them' view.
The fact is, the NT is probably the strongest source we have for the view that there are in the end two kinds of people, and Jesus is the strongest source in the NT. He spoke of wheat and weeds, wise and foolish virgins, sheep and goats, Lazarus in paradise and the rich man in hell, that there were those with Him and those against Him, wise and foolish servants, those born of the flesh only and those born of the spirit.
One last thing, d j—you claimed that by 'global community' you meant the church, and for a bit I accepted that; however, in your first post, you said A tribal mindset views these persecutions as an attack on their own little community detached from the gloabl communty, christian & non-christian. I can't help but think that saying 'global community' to refer to 'christian and non-christian' and then saying that it is the 'church' is inconsistent. Calling non-christians a part of the church is about like saying black is white.
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When you say that you accepted my explanation of what I meant, and then didn't, you are saying that I am lying about what I meant. Please don't ever accuse me of lying.
I refer firstly to the global community of humanity, we need always remember that we are a part of this. I do this in the line you have quoted above.
When I move unto the global mindset talk I'm referring to the global community within the global community of humanity know to us as the Church. I'm not including all non-christians in the Church (although I do accept the theology of anonymous Christianity) I'm using the same phrases to refer to two different concepts. I should have been clearer.
As for declaring that the missionaries were declaring the true gospel (and this is the basis of your argument that this is an attack on the Church) I cannot accept that they were. No doubt they were completley devoted to God, I'm deepley sorry that this has taken place and I'm sure that Christ mourns the torture of his servants there in Turkey, but if this was the full & true gospel of Jesus Christ I have no doubt that we wouldn't be reading about bible studies, we'd be reading about the activities of Christianess , but that is another discussion. Nor do I think that the missionaries were murdered because the murderers were rejecting the gospel, I believe that this is a political act at heart infused with elements of religious thought. I'm from Northern Ireland I feel that I have some knowledge of how this politio-religio situation works. I doubt that the murderers even really know what Christianity teaches, just as I do not feel that the missionary's presentation of Christianity is a true representation of Jesus. (Nevertheless, they are still servants of God as they themselves understand to be correct, I do not want to detract from their service.
Now, when referring to the us-and-them mentality I am not saying that there is no us-and-them. (I am not here saying that there is an us-and-them, it's just that that is another discussion.) I'm saying that we're a global community and should not be responding in the same us-and-them way as the Early Church (they had to do that for reasons of self-preservation) we're a gloabl community who should seek to diffuse the us-and-them mentality which reinforces these acts.
We are the largest religious body, we are in control on the religious front, we should respond as such. We don't give the murderers a reason not to do this by responding with an us-and-them attitude, we give them a reason to stop when we find ways of including ourselves in them and them in us.
When Christ does the separating in the gospels, the 2 groups, it is God deciding upon the groups, not us. These parables were not given so that we could start dividing up our society into two groups, these parables were given to give us an insight into God's paradigm. Also, the division takes place at judgement, not now, until then we're all living as one group. Thirdly, the divisions are based on attitudes of the heart, attitudes of repentance, not doctrinal belief.
And lastly, the paradigm of the apostles is the paradigm of the apostles. The Apostles are beloved by me, they are the top of the church hierachy and their writings are the most important that we have, they're on the other side right now still serving as our apostles, I love them and I revere them, but their paradigm is not necessarily Christ's paradigm.
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When you say that you accepted my explanation of what I meant, and then didn't, you are saying that I am lying about what I meant. Please don't ever accuse me of lying.
Incorrect. I am saying that I cannot accept a definition of 'global community' that is both the church and also includes nonchristians.
I'm using the same phrases to refer to two different concepts. I should have been clearer.
Very well.
As for declaring that the missionaries were declaring the true gospel (and this is the basis of your argument that this is an attack on the Church) I cannot accept that they were.
That is a very serious charge indeed. Are you saying you think they were not Christians? Or that they were apostates, heretics? Are you saying they were killed for nothing?
but if this was the full & true gospel of Jesus Christ I have no doubt that we wouldn't be reading about bible studies, we'd be reading about the activities of Christianess
And is not the teaching and study of the Word of God an "activity of Christianess"? They were working for a publisher of Christian literature, and one was helping translated the Bible into Turkish. Are these not "activities of Christianess"?
I doubt that the murderers even really know what Christianity teaches,
In the letter we are told that five of them had been to an evangelistic service, where it may be presumed the Gospel was presented to them. I think that the killing of the messangers can equate into a rejection of the message.
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Ok. Let's be clear and succinct about my two main points.
1. We, The Church, are a global community and must respond with the caution of a global community. And, this global community (The Church) is a part of the larger global community of humanity, and must respond in partnership with humanity. (We are no longer a persecuted sect.)
2. I don't believe that the missionaries were attacked because they were Christians, but rather becuase they were not Muslims. Whereas the Early Church was persecuted becuase they were Christians, not simply because they weren't Jewish.
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Just for clarification, I agree that the church today is in a very different position to the church in the first centuries - indeed this is a key element in my reading of New Testament eschatology. That's why I was careful to say that these killings (assuming the letter is authentic - the doubt had crossed my mind) are an 'echo' of the experience of the New Testament church, and only in a limited sense a re-enactment of the story of the Son of man who suffers and is vindicated. It seems to me that there is a decisiveness and finality about the New Testament experience that cannot simply be repeated. But that is not to dismiss the prophetic force of the recent incident.
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Though this is primarily a forum for theology, its focus on orthopraxy makes it appropriate to dwell on this letter for a while. The power of God is made perfect in weakness, and the power of the Gospel is unleached when we forego retaliation and pray, as Jesus prayed, "Father forgive them." I am blessed and humbled to hear how the Christian Church in Turkey has responded to these murders. This is the witness the world needs to see.
Whatever the emerging church is or becomes, it must be conformed to the image of Christ, as our turkish brothers and sisters have been.
Lord give us your strength.
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John
I’m first of all astonished that this event seems to have received so little attention in either the world or the church (as far as I’m aware). How is it that the murder of these three, and the details, have received so little attention?
It is evident across the middle east however, that events such as this provide a powerful argument for many muslims against allegiance to Islam - especially in the light of the forgiveness offered towards the murderers by Susanne Tilman.
How did you obtain a copy of this letter from ‘the protestant church of Smyrna’, and how have its contents been verified? To whom was the letter sent? If the story is true, it deserves to be seen not only on an obscure theological website where its contents will have very limited reach, but to Christian media with wider appeal, to the national press, and to relevant organs of government.
If the story is true in its details, Tilman and his colleagues who were murdered were about as far removed from anything like the comfortable faith and practice of the ‘emerging church’ as I can imagine. It would take something rather more robust and self-sacrificing to be lived out in a country as hostile to Christianity as Turkey - a far more dangerous place for Christians and Christian missionaries than, say, its southern neighbour Syria, whose reputation is infinitely more demonised in the international community.
Anyone doubting the intentions of contemporary radical Islam towards the indigenous Christian people of the middle east generally should read William Dalrymple’s ‘The Spiritual Meadow’, or request news briefings from Barnabas Aid, the news organ of Barnabas Fund led by Dr Patrick Sookhdeo, from the Open Doors mission, from Christian Solidarity Worldwide, or contact Canon Andrew White via the Foundation for Reconciliation in the Middle East.
However, we should be careful in any response not to confuse a carefully considered Christian response with that of any politically crusading ‘war on terror’ - which has only served to fuel the flames of radical Islam in recent years. We should listen carefully to the views of Christians who are living and working on the ground, and not to the prejudices formed from several thousand miles’ distance.
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I found numerous references to it on the web, including World Net Daily, but nothing on the major newsoutlets.
Another letter has been sent, attempting to correct some exagerations in the first letter. According to the second letter, they were tortured and killed, but not stabbed all over the body as first reported.
I found the second letter on www.dennyburk.com
I searched snopes.com and urban legends and found nothing about it.
Although I understand the point about global Christianity, it seems very smug to me to evaluate them (judge?) and come to the conclusion that they were not sharing the Christian gospel.
Joseph Holbrook
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I found out about this from The Times .. so there was some coverage in the major news networks .. but not of the response though :(
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My comment on the content of the gospel they were teaching has been misunderstood. It was made because it appeared that one poster was trying to imply that it was because they teaching the apparent truth that they were slaughtered, as if the murders were a response to their teaching. As if these murderers were angered becuase they heard the truth. The point I was trying to make was that the murders were not a response to the teaching but rather the following through of a long developed 'tribal' mindset of the murderers. As for judging, I simply disagree that htis is how the gospel is taught, that's not judgement.
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My comment on the content of the gospel was simply due to the fact that it was implied that the murders took place as a reaction to the teaching of plain gospel truth. (The point that I don't believe that teaching the Bible is the 'plain gospel truth' is really just a side comment.) I believe however that the murders were not a reaction but rather the follow through of the nurture in the opposition to anything non-Islamic. It appears I went the wrong way about making this point.
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www.izmirprotestan.org
I am the pastor of the Protestant Church of Smyrna. I would like you to know that our brothers were killed for Christ. According to the killers’ confessions, they went there to ask them to recant or die. When one brother, Necati told them that Jesus is his Messiah, God, Lord and Savior the killers started stabbing him.
May the Lord cause us to glorify Him in our lives as well as out deaths.
Can you please update the posting here with the new updates on our web site: www.izmirprotestant.org
Blessings,
Pastor Fikret Bocek
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That's like hearing about a completely different era or world for me. Sorry if I caused any offence with my thinking, I was just trying to understand it from my perspective in the UK.
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May I also say that I never doubted that the missionaries gave themselves for Christ. My dicussion was primarily on the impulse directing the Islamists, your information however has changed my perpsective on that.
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