Thank you for your opinion. Respectfully The world has m… that is all you have provided me. Unless you can be more specific as to what comment I made that was in error or not true I can not just blindly accept your unsupported opinion as factual and possibly it is true but you need to be able to prove it.

For the most part the gentlemen who started this thread were pretty well versed and provided strong supporting scripture. I do plan to submit several more filings which address other issues which I did not see addressed prior. But at this point until you can be more specific and point out what specific statement I allegedly misstated and provide me with your supporting scripture or some other specific comparison or logical justification we can not help each other let alone anyone else seeking truth.

The truth is often not popular:

There is one God, and One begotten Son of God (the man Jesus) that makes TWO. Furthermore God is a Holy Spirit and thus they are one in the same and I will explain that in a minute.

I am completing a writting (free) which may help your apparent misunderstanding of what I believe about this thing you call “Trinity” which in no way indicates Three Gods or three co-equal God beings. However you may try to explain it, you cannot logically explain Trinity without contradiction and that is why it is so difficult for man to explain this flawed theory.

It is better to be divided by truth than to be united in error. ~ Adrian Rodgers .

Understanding What The Holy Ghost Is And Does

We first need to identify God’s many attributes as it relates to the Holy Ghost, what it is, where it comes from and what it actually does (its purpose). In order to do this we first need to understand that the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God and the Holy Ghost, are all one in the same and regardless of which description is being used they are all expressions of God.

To begin with, the Greek word in the Bible for Spirit is the same as it is for Ghost.

DEFINITION: Both Spirit or Ghost: Greek; πνεῦμα   Transliteration: (pneuma) <G4151>

(Ref. Strong’s concordance) from <G4154> (pneo); a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figurative a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implicaiton) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, dæmon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy Spirit :- ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare <G5590> (psuche).

—Strong’s Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

This Ghost (or Spirit) is Holy (of God).  The Bible often reflects this type of phenomenon as a movement of the Holy Ghost (God) acting upon or within a believer.

1.      2 Peter 1:20,21  “… no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost”

2.      Acts 1:16 “Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.”

3.  1 Corinthians 3:16 “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”

4.  1 Thessalonians 4:8 “He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.”

5.  Psalm 51:10-11 “Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.  ¹¹Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.”

6.   1Corinthians 12:3-6 “Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.”

7.   Acts 5:3, 4 “But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?  4Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.”

This should provide you with a good starting point.

Next although it has been covered well I might add this bit of comment

—- The Expressions Of God

While the “Word” does not specifically mean “Torah” I do agree that the Torah contains the Word (logos) or “word of God”, but so does the Holy Bible.

I understand that the Word (logos- thought/will) of God always existed. It being one of the three “expressions” of God (Father, Word, Holy Ghost) which cannot be separated from God without it being the same expression of God wherever it is used, be it in the bible or within flesh or anywhere. These expressions of God, as used in the bible, are abstract reflections of God (who is an invisible spirit).

These unique conceptual expressions of God where made manifest in many ways, flesh was just one way the word (logos) of God was manifested.

In the beginning:

1. the “logos” (word-thought/will) of God was “spoken” (God said…., etc..); and

2. the “logos” (word-thought/will) of God was “written” (the 10 commandments)

1,400 BC: The first written Word of God: The Ten Commandments delivered to Moses.

500 BC: The Completion of All Original Hebrew Manuscripts which make up the Old Testament

3. the “logos” (Word-thought/will) of God was “made flesh” (in Jesus Christ);

4. the “logos” (word-thought/will) of God was “written” (in the New testament)

1st Century AD: Completion of All Original Greek Manuscripts which make up The New Testament.

Definition of Abstract = Words that refer to ideas or concepts

Expressing a particular property of an object viewed apart from the other properties which constitute it; — opposed to concrete; as, honesty is an abstract word.

For example we say: God is Love, God is Truth, God is Life, etc…

These are all abstract descriptions/ideas/terms of “what” God is. We do not “literally” substitute these abstract descriptions and insert the word God in its place we would then be saying God is God. Although true this is not what these expressions are reflecting. They are used to describe attributes of God.

Similarly (God is the Father) (God is the Word) (God is the Holy Ghost) (God is the Holy Spirit)

Again, we are not using these abstract descriptions of God just to be saying God is God. Although true again this is not what these “abstract terms” are stating. They are used to describe attributes of God. God is a Holy Spirit, God is the word of life, truth, power, God is the father of all creation, etc…

 (adj.).Abstract is considered apart from concrete existence, specific objects, or actual instances: an abstract idea or an abstract concept. (a metaphor is considered an abstract idea)

A concrete name is a name which stands for a thing; (spirit, bible, man, etc…)

An abstract name stands for an attribute of a thing; (Holy, faithful, just, evil, almighty, etc…)

An abstract idea stands for an attribute of a thing; (the lamb of God, the Word, etc..)

Anything abstract is not concrete; you cannot physically hold it. It is an expression of something or someone.  (The lamb was not literally a four legged wooly animal, thus it is figurative or a metaphor)

The Word Was Made Flesh

Now in considering John 1:14, (the Word was made^G1096flesh) G1096 is found spoken figuratively.

When comparing companion verses this has to be figuratively spoken to harmonize. God’s Word (message) came from within a man (Jesus) that God made, God stated man could not see him however God being spirit can indwell in any vessel (man) & did in Jesus , who was the vessel God used .

1.      John 5:37 “And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.” (clearly Jesus was talking, not God  ) 

1. John 3:33-35 “He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.”
2. John 14:10 “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
3. John 14: 24 “He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.” (Jesus states here that God’s words are not his words)
4. John 8:28 “I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.”       This is what a Father God (or Holy Ghost ) does teaches us  the right words or message to speak
5. John 4:21-24 “Jesus saith unto her,……… 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
6. John 6:46 “Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.” 

Again I would suggest you review the thread for much information is contained within. If you still feel that I have stated something in error feel free to contact me or one of the gentlemen who may be better able to explain these issues more clearly and fully to you.

As you have heard from others Jesus is our Lord and Savior and that is nothing to sneeze at as man’s salvation is based upon this belief or hope that because a man (Jesus) was raised from the dead by God for atonement of our sins we likewise (who believe) will also be resurrected to join him in heaven with our heavenly father for eternity when he returns for us.