What does “scientific observation” and “testing” supposed to mean?  Have you tested “testing” to see if it is a valid arbiter of claims?  What if “testing” is biased?  You obviously have no idea what the scientific method is. There can be no bias if it is reproducible by any other human on the planet. 2+2 is 4 no matter what you point of view…

Enlighten me.  What is the scientific method?  How does reproducibility prevent bias?  Can’t all those that believe 2+2=4 be biased?  Would you say that 2+2=4 is a logical or empirical truth?  

Are you also suggesting that, historically speaking, all belief systems prior to the development of the scientific method were superstition?  YES!!!! Sometimes these superstitions are correct. Common sense is a precursor to the scientific method, so guess what, sometimes they are correct. If you shoot arrows randomly in a forest you might hit a deer now and then.

How do you know that common sense is aprecursor to the scientific method?  Did you test that claim?  Do you mean that commonsense was nonexistent before the scientific method?

Have you tested “rational” to see if that is something you should adhere to or believe in? Did you really just type that? LOL

Yes, I did write it.  Did you answer it?  No.  Have you tested rationality?  Have you seen reationality?  

First you say this…I have come to see him (Jesus) as a sign post pointing toward a way of living, a way of relating to myself, my neighbors, friends, enemies and, my God.

THEN YOU SAY…
I don’t take the Bible as “real” either.  Nor do I think God is “real.”

Which is it???????

Did I claim Jesus was “real”?  No.  Did I claim Jesus was real?  No.  You should read more closely.  What is problematic about seeing Jesus as a signpost and claiming that Jesus is not real?  Explain yourself.  

Do you not trust your doctor?  Do you believe his diagnoses?  If so, that is trust and trust, in those terms, is observable.  When he defines your ailment as the flu, you act in accordence with his word.  How is that “magical”?  You are saying Jesus is as real as a Doctor I can go see Monday morning. um.. what?

No.  I’m asking if you trust your doctor.  Do you? I didn’t say doctors are real and I didn’t say Jesus is real.  I’m asking if you trust others. 

trust is why I follow in the way of Jesus. No one even knows if Jesus existed! How can you compare trust in him to a medical doctor…. thats like… OH I TRUST IN ZEUS AS MUCHAS MY DOG CATCHER.

If you act on the words of Jesus or if you act on the words of your doctor, you trust.  It’s only a matter of who you trust.