Divine accountability - cyber thought police?
A 'Lamb'-centred atonement theory By: john (34 replies) 16 January, 2005 - 23:22
- God's Accountability By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 00:19)
- God's accountability By: peter wilkinson (25/01/2005 - 17:48)
- Divine Complicity By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 19:40)
- Divine Dissidence? By: john (25/01/2005 - 21:36)
- God in the Dock By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 22:41)
- offended by God? By: john (26/01/2005 - 17:16)
- Cross Communique By: Dissident Heart (27/01/2005 - 19:48)
- bravo! By: john (27/01/2005 - 20:13)
- cross purposes By: peter wilkinson (28/01/2005 - 12:20)
- To the extent that OST is the By: Chris (28/01/2005 - 17:38)
- Out of the box By: peter wilkinson (28/01/2005 - 19:31)
- cross examinations By: deacon (31/01/2005 - 01:54)
- the paradox of sin By: john (31/01/2005 - 09:24)
- Romin' around By: deacon (31/01/2005 - 19:24)
- whirlpool warning... By: john (31/01/2005 - 21:27)
- Swirling around the plughole By: deacon (01/02/2005 - 18:34)
- whirlpool warning... By: john (31/01/2005 - 21:27)
- In the same way? "All" By: Chris (31/01/2005 - 10:11)
- Romin' around By: deacon (31/01/2005 - 19:24)
- the paradox of sin By: john (31/01/2005 - 09:24)
- cross examinations By: deacon (31/01/2005 - 01:54)
- Out of the box By: peter wilkinson (28/01/2005 - 19:31)
- thinking a-cross boundary lines By: john (28/01/2005 - 13:51)
- To the extent that OST is the By: Chris (28/01/2005 - 17:38)
- cross purposes By: peter wilkinson (28/01/2005 - 12:20)
- bravo! By: john (27/01/2005 - 20:13)
- Cross Communique By: Dissident Heart (27/01/2005 - 19:48)
- Divine accountability - cyber thought police? By: peter wilkinson (26/01/2005 - 10:46)
- get out the thumb screws! By: john (26/01/2005 - 17:30)
- Are pain and suffering always evil? By: Chris (26/01/2005 - 15:34)
- Dreading the judge By: Albannach (26/01/2005 - 15:16)
- Memo from the Grand Inquisitor General: By: Alario (28/01/2005 - 20:31)
- gloriously off topic... but welcome to the party By: john (26/01/2005 - 15:39)
- It's a fair cop By: Albannach (26/01/2005 - 16:00)
- offended by God? By: john (26/01/2005 - 17:16)
- God in the Dock By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 22:41)
- Divine Dissidence? By: john (25/01/2005 - 21:36)
- Divine Complicity By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 19:40)
- God's accountability By: peter wilkinson (25/01/2005 - 17:48)
- Many thanks for sharing your By: kit (23/01/2005 - 12:23)
- Didn't God always plan to sacrifice Jesus? By: Chris (17/01/2005 - 09:55)
- a whirlpool... ok let's investigate it By: john (18/01/2005 - 20:43)
- "Plan" as opposed to "purpose" By: Chris (19/01/2005 - 09:41)
- planning to fail? By: john (19/01/2005 - 12:50)
- Powerful plan and assured purpose in harmony, yet distinct By: Chris (20/01/2005 - 12:10)
- Intersections By: Alario (21/01/2005 - 03:59)
- but God's an Englishmen isn't he, Alario? By: john (21/01/2005 - 11:16)
- Quite! By: Alario (21/01/2005 - 19:57)
- but God's an Englishmen isn't he, Alario? By: john (21/01/2005 - 11:16)
- Intersections By: Alario (21/01/2005 - 03:59)
- Powerful plan and assured purpose in harmony, yet distinct By: Chris (20/01/2005 - 12:10)
- planning to fail? By: john (19/01/2005 - 12:50)
- "Plan" as opposed to "purpose" By: Chris (19/01/2005 - 09:41)
- a whirlpool... ok let's investigate it By: john (18/01/2005 - 20:43)
Divine accountability - cyber thought police?
John’s response to Dissident Heart was enlightening: I’d never heard of the demonic-in-Jahweh idea before. The further verses that DH quotes don’t seem to get beyond John’s response - all but 1 are referring to the judgement God brought on Israel through the exile; 1 Sam 16:23 can hardly be said to make God in some way criminally responsible for an evil act. The question then really is: is God culpable for bringing judgement - in the form of national disaster?
The scriptural basis for DH’s views doesn’t stand; the issue is more a philosophical one. Is it possible to conceive of a God who in himself is flawed, and one of whose attributes is evil/malevolence, for which he later makes himself accountable (on the cross)? I appreciated John’s affirming response to DH - and I did recognise that DH’s position had a practical end in view - which is to accommodate God to abused people. That God is able to identify with the abused in such a way that the cross becomes a place of transfer of pain is not a magic and superficial formula - it plumbs profoundly the depths of identification, and works in practice.
P.S. I did have this fantasy of a kind of cyber thought police: patrolling the net for heresy - swooping down on us in the act of propogating false doctrine. Maybe www.spanishinquisition.org or something of the like