"Plan" as opposed to "purpose"
A 'Lamb'-centred atonement theory By: john (34 replies) 16 January, 2005 - 23:22
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- Romin' around By: deacon (31/01/2005 - 19:24)
- the paradox of sin By: john (31/01/2005 - 09:24)
- cross examinations By: deacon (31/01/2005 - 01:54)
- Out of the box By: peter wilkinson (28/01/2005 - 19:31)
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- To the extent that OST is the By: Chris (28/01/2005 - 17:38)
- cross purposes By: peter wilkinson (28/01/2005 - 12:20)
- bravo! By: john (27/01/2005 - 20:13)
- Cross Communique By: Dissident Heart (27/01/2005 - 19:48)
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- offended by God? By: john (26/01/2005 - 17:16)
- God in the Dock By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 22:41)
- Divine Dissidence? By: john (25/01/2005 - 21:36)
- Divine Complicity By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 19:40)
- God's accountability By: peter wilkinson (25/01/2005 - 17:48)
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- but God's an Englishmen isn't he, Alario? By: john (21/01/2005 - 11:16)
- Intersections By: Alario (21/01/2005 - 03:59)
- Powerful plan and assured purpose in harmony, yet distinct By: Chris (20/01/2005 - 12:10)
- planning to fail? By: john (19/01/2005 - 12:50)
- "Plan" as opposed to "purpose" By: Chris (19/01/2005 - 09:41)
- a whirlpool... ok let's investigate it By: john (18/01/2005 - 20:43)
"Plan" as opposed to "purpose"
Thanks for your clarification. I think we agree fairly well on God’s purpose; we disagree as to whether his plan was for man to fall in the garden (me) or not (you). The reason I believe God planned it that way is that his plan (Jesus dying for us) assumes the fall rather than that man would choose fellowship and righteousness. It is probably more accurate for me to say “I inferred” rather than “you implied” that the shedding of Jesus’ blood became a part of God’s plan only after the fall.
In my metanarrative, God knew that we as autonomous creatures would not live up to our potentials, so his plan included not only creating us, but also providing for our inevitable rebellion and wickedness. I distinguish between his “plan” (what he believed would happen and what he intended to do about it) and his “purpose” (what he desires for us and from us, even though we may not live up to it).
I’m happy to leave off any discussion of the ignorant for now, just wanted to mention it as a possible consideration, since I gathered you were seeking constructive comments on your construction of the biblical metanarrative.