a whirlpool... ok let's investigate it
A 'Lamb'-centred atonement theory By: john (34 replies) 16 January, 2005 - 23:22
- God's Accountability By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 00:19)
- God's accountability By: peter wilkinson (25/01/2005 - 17:48)
- Divine Complicity By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 19:40)
- Divine Dissidence? By: john (25/01/2005 - 21:36)
- God in the Dock By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 22:41)
- offended by God? By: john (26/01/2005 - 17:16)
- Cross Communique By: Dissident Heart (27/01/2005 - 19:48)
- bravo! By: john (27/01/2005 - 20:13)
- cross purposes By: peter wilkinson (28/01/2005 - 12:20)
- To the extent that OST is the By: Chris (28/01/2005 - 17:38)
- Out of the box By: peter wilkinson (28/01/2005 - 19:31)
- cross examinations By: deacon (31/01/2005 - 01:54)
- the paradox of sin By: john (31/01/2005 - 09:24)
- Romin' around By: deacon (31/01/2005 - 19:24)
- whirlpool warning... By: john (31/01/2005 - 21:27)
- Swirling around the plughole By: deacon (01/02/2005 - 18:34)
- whirlpool warning... By: john (31/01/2005 - 21:27)
- In the same way? "All" By: Chris (31/01/2005 - 10:11)
- Romin' around By: deacon (31/01/2005 - 19:24)
- the paradox of sin By: john (31/01/2005 - 09:24)
- cross examinations By: deacon (31/01/2005 - 01:54)
- Out of the box By: peter wilkinson (28/01/2005 - 19:31)
- thinking a-cross boundary lines By: john (28/01/2005 - 13:51)
- To the extent that OST is the By: Chris (28/01/2005 - 17:38)
- cross purposes By: peter wilkinson (28/01/2005 - 12:20)
- bravo! By: john (27/01/2005 - 20:13)
- Cross Communique By: Dissident Heart (27/01/2005 - 19:48)
- Divine accountability - cyber thought police? By: peter wilkinson (26/01/2005 - 10:46)
- get out the thumb screws! By: john (26/01/2005 - 17:30)
- Are pain and suffering always evil? By: Chris (26/01/2005 - 15:34)
- Dreading the judge By: Albannach (26/01/2005 - 15:16)
- Memo from the Grand Inquisitor General: By: Alario (28/01/2005 - 20:31)
- gloriously off topic... but welcome to the party By: john (26/01/2005 - 15:39)
- It's a fair cop By: Albannach (26/01/2005 - 16:00)
- offended by God? By: john (26/01/2005 - 17:16)
- God in the Dock By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 22:41)
- Divine Dissidence? By: john (25/01/2005 - 21:36)
- Divine Complicity By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 19:40)
- God's accountability By: peter wilkinson (25/01/2005 - 17:48)
- Many thanks for sharing your By: kit (23/01/2005 - 12:23)
- Didn't God always plan to sacrifice Jesus? By: Chris (17/01/2005 - 09:55)
- a whirlpool... ok let's investigate it By: john (18/01/2005 - 20:43)
- "Plan" as opposed to "purpose" By: Chris (19/01/2005 - 09:41)
- planning to fail? By: john (19/01/2005 - 12:50)
- Powerful plan and assured purpose in harmony, yet distinct By: Chris (20/01/2005 - 12:10)
- Intersections By: Alario (21/01/2005 - 03:59)
- but God's an Englishmen isn't he, Alario? By: john (21/01/2005 - 11:16)
- Quite! By: Alario (21/01/2005 - 19:57)
- but God's an Englishmen isn't he, Alario? By: john (21/01/2005 - 11:16)
- Intersections By: Alario (21/01/2005 - 03:59)
- Powerful plan and assured purpose in harmony, yet distinct By: Chris (20/01/2005 - 12:10)
- planning to fail? By: john (19/01/2005 - 12:50)
- "Plan" as opposed to "purpose" By: Chris (19/01/2005 - 09:41)
- a whirlpool... ok let's investigate it By: john (18/01/2005 - 20:43)
a whirlpool... ok let's investigate it
a whirlpool… ok let’s investigate it
Am I? How so?
Yes, I think I am suggesting this. I feel that this was God’s Eternal Purpose, whereas Sin wasn’t. That is why this “original plan” is in sight at the Genesis and at the End (Apocalypse), whereas, Sin is not (until…).
However, within Eternity, yes, before we were actually created, through Foreknowledge, it became clear to the Creator that Sin would be introduced and consequently that the only way for the Eternal Purpose to be achieved is if a (the) Lamb is sacrificed to make atonement.
I don’t find anything in the citations you offer to critique this, but please go ahead and lay it out more clearly for us if you do. (I would only add that a highly theoretical discussion about the nature of God’s foreknowledge would perhaps be less than fruitful, certainly within this topic).
Regarding the “ignorant”…
This is somewhat off-topic, because the nature of my post, as I made clear, was an attempt at looking panoramically at the atonement story, to see whether we were satisfied with the broad brush strokes before attempting to fill in the minutae of details…
By way of a clarification, however, I would point to the distinction I made regarding the essential nature of Rebellion and Wickedness. They are not degrees of the same thing; they are essentially different.
If we really wish to discuss the nuances of how (this applies to how) God judges those ignorant of the details of the gospel, why not begin another topic (unless there’s one lurking out there already, in which case, I’ll see you there…) - what do you say?