a whirlpool... ok let's investigate it

a whirlpool... ok let's investigate it

a whirlpool… ok let’s investigate it

It seems that you are arguing that the shedding of Jesus’ blood became a part of God’s plan only after the fall

Am I? How so?

God’s original plan for man was for us to live in a state of uninterrupted fellowship, goodness, and life

Yes, I think I am suggesting this. I feel that this was God’s Eternal Purpose, whereas Sin wasn’t. That is why this “original plan” is in sight at the Genesis and at the End (Apocalypse), whereas, Sin is not (until…).

However, within Eternity, yes, before we were actually created, through Foreknowledge, it became clear to the Creator that Sin would be introduced and consequently that the only way for the Eternal Purpose to be achieved is if a (the) Lamb is sacrificed to make atonement.

I don’t find anything in the citations you offer to critique this, but please go ahead and lay it out more clearly for us if you do. (I would only add that a highly theoretical discussion about the nature of God’s foreknowledge would perhaps be less than fruitful, certainly within this topic).

Regarding the “ignorant”…

This is somewhat off-topic, because the nature of my post, as I made clear, was an attempt at looking panoramically at the atonement story, to see whether we were satisfied with the broad brush strokes before attempting to fill in the minutae of details…

By way of a clarification, however, I would point to the distinction I made regarding the essential nature of Rebellion and Wickedness. They are not degrees of the same thing; they are essentially different.

If we really wish to discuss the nuances of how (this applies to how) God judges those ignorant of the details of the gospel, why not begin another topic (unless there’s one lurking out there already, in which case, I’ll see you there…) - what do you say?

A 'Lamb'-centred atonement theory By: john (34 replies) 16 January, 2005 - 23:22