Didn't God always plan to sacrifice Jesus?
A 'Lamb'-centred atonement theory By: john (34 replies) 16 January, 2005 - 23:22
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- offended by God? By: john (26/01/2005 - 17:16)
- Cross Communique By: Dissident Heart (27/01/2005 - 19:48)
- bravo! By: john (27/01/2005 - 20:13)
- cross purposes By: peter wilkinson (28/01/2005 - 12:20)
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- whirlpool warning... By: john (31/01/2005 - 21:27)
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- whirlpool warning... By: john (31/01/2005 - 21:27)
- In the same way? "All" By: Chris (31/01/2005 - 10:11)
- Romin' around By: deacon (31/01/2005 - 19:24)
- the paradox of sin By: john (31/01/2005 - 09:24)
- cross examinations By: deacon (31/01/2005 - 01:54)
- Out of the box By: peter wilkinson (28/01/2005 - 19:31)
- thinking a-cross boundary lines By: john (28/01/2005 - 13:51)
- To the extent that OST is the By: Chris (28/01/2005 - 17:38)
- cross purposes By: peter wilkinson (28/01/2005 - 12:20)
- bravo! By: john (27/01/2005 - 20:13)
- Cross Communique By: Dissident Heart (27/01/2005 - 19:48)
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- It's a fair cop By: Albannach (26/01/2005 - 16:00)
- offended by God? By: john (26/01/2005 - 17:16)
- God in the Dock By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 22:41)
- Divine Dissidence? By: john (25/01/2005 - 21:36)
- Divine Complicity By: Dissident Heart (25/01/2005 - 19:40)
- God's accountability By: peter wilkinson (25/01/2005 - 17:48)
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- Didn't God always plan to sacrifice Jesus? By: Chris (17/01/2005 - 09:55)
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- Intersections By: Alario (21/01/2005 - 03:59)
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- Quite! By: Alario (21/01/2005 - 19:57)
- but God's an Englishmen isn't he, Alario? By: john (21/01/2005 - 11:16)
- Intersections By: Alario (21/01/2005 - 03:59)
- Powerful plan and assured purpose in harmony, yet distinct By: Chris (20/01/2005 - 12:10)
- planning to fail? By: john (19/01/2005 - 12:50)
- "Plan" as opposed to "purpose" By: Chris (19/01/2005 - 09:41)
- a whirlpool... ok let's investigate it By: john (18/01/2005 - 20:43)
Didn't God always plan to sacrifice Jesus?
It seems that you are arguing that the shedding of Jesus’ blood became a part of God’s plan only after the fall, and that God’s original plan for man was for us to live in a state of uninterrupted fellowship, goodness, and life. Do you not see any indication in Scripture that God was already planning to send Jesus to suffer and die even before man was created? (Consider e.g. 1 Pet. 1:17-20, 1 Cor. 2:7, Eph. 1:4, 2 Titus 1:9.)
Then in your conclusion you argue that those who harden their hearts, who purposely reject the truth, put themselves in the special category of those who are given over to death. Are those who are simply ignorant of God’s plan also placed in that category? (I’m not arguing that they are without rebellion and wickedness, just that they are not aware of God’s working in history through Israel and Jesus, and so don’t have that knowledge to harden their hearts against.)