Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God
Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: C. S. Cowles (61 replies) 29 December, 2008 - 10:29
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- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (17/01/2009 - 01:26)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: paulhartigan (20/01/2009 - 11:41)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (20/01/2009 - 19:53)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: paulhartigan (20/01/2009 - 11:41)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: john doyle (16/01/2009 - 14:33)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (17/01/2009 - 01:14)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: paulhartigan (20/01/2009 - 11:55)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (20/01/2009 - 19:45)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: john doyle (20/01/2009 - 20:22)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (21/01/2009 - 04:55)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (23/01/2009 - 02:47)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: graham old (21/01/2009 - 01:20)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: john doyle (21/01/2009 - 05:12)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (21/01/2009 - 04:55)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: john doyle (20/01/2009 - 20:22)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (20/01/2009 - 19:45)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: john doyle (17/01/2009 - 14:54)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: paulhartigan (20/01/2009 - 11:55)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (17/01/2009 - 01:14)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (17/01/2009 - 01:26)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Desert Reign (09/01/2009 - 01:13)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (10/01/2009 - 02:59)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Desert Reign (11/01/2009 - 02:32)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (11/01/2009 - 06:09)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Desert Reign (12/01/2009 - 16:04)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (12/01/2009 - 19:47)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: paulhartigan (14/01/2009 - 23:49)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (15/01/2009 - 02:04)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Desert Reign (12/01/2009 - 20:51)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (14/01/2009 - 02:37)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: paulhartigan (14/01/2009 - 23:49)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (12/01/2009 - 19:47)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: graham old (11/01/2009 - 13:18)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Desert Reign (12/01/2009 - 20:40)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: graham old (13/01/2009 - 16:09)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Desert Reign (13/01/2009 - 20:02)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: graham old (14/01/2009 - 12:16)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Andrew (13/01/2009 - 18:17)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: graham old (13/01/2009 - 19:24)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: samlcarr (13/01/2009 - 19:13)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (14/01/2009 - 02:43)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Desert Reign (13/01/2009 - 20:02)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: graham old (13/01/2009 - 16:09)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (12/01/2009 - 02:57)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: graham old (13/01/2009 - 15:47)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (14/01/2009 - 02:27)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Desert Reign (13/01/2009 - 16:00)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: graham old (13/01/2009 - 15:47)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: shiert (11/01/2009 - 16:26)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (12/01/2009 - 03:02)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: shiert (12/01/2009 - 15:33)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (12/01/2009 - 19:13)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: shiert (12/01/2009 - 15:33)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: graham old (11/01/2009 - 21:41)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (12/01/2009 - 03:02)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Desert Reign (12/01/2009 - 20:40)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Desert Reign (12/01/2009 - 16:04)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (11/01/2009 - 06:09)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Desert Reign (11/01/2009 - 02:32)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (10/01/2009 - 02:59)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: graham old (06/01/2009 - 23:14)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (07/01/2009 - 00:10)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: graham old (07/01/2009 - 01:14)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Andrew (07/01/2009 - 10:15)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: graham old (07/01/2009 - 01:14)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (07/01/2009 - 00:10)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (06/01/2009 - 11:06)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (07/01/2009 - 09:25)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (08/01/2009 - 00:17)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (09/01/2009 - 02:49)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (17/01/2009 - 01:12)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (09/01/2009 - 02:49)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: F.H.L. Abraham (08/01/2009 - 00:17)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (07/01/2009 - 09:25)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: graham old (06/01/2009 - 01:37)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Andrew (29/12/2008 - 13:31)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: shiert (01/01/2009 - 18:24)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (31/12/2008 - 03:27)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: JGREEN44 (28/01/2009 - 06:11)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Andrew (31/12/2008 - 10:54)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Josh Rowley (31/12/2008 - 23:32)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: Ryan SA (29/12/2008 - 10:45)
- Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God By: steph (29/12/2008 - 12:52)
Re: Canaanite Genocide and its Monstrous Concept of God
Hi Desert,
I don’t really see the relevance of that. The ‘rationale’ for the genocide is part of the narrative, so open to the same critiques.
I’m not sure what you mean by me saying the ‘same thing’. However, I would argue that the reason we are told to leave vengeance to God is because we do it vindictively, whereas he does it mercifully. God’s "vengeance" is of a different calibre to ours. It’s not that he has the right to be more violent than us, but that - specifically because he isn’t - he is safe to take care of what we would call "vengeance". We don’t do it
very well. We lash out in anger and hurt, whereas God deals with his
"enemies" by loving them and taking the rap for them.
Maybe we’re talking at cross-purposes here, but I’d say that the core principle of OT ethics is love.
Well, that’s what the texts would suggest, but I don’t see any compelling reason to leave them unquestioned.
As for the latter statement, of course he did! As for the former, if Jesus didn’t contradict these "principles" that you see, should we really be able to picture Jesus saying, "Love your enemies and do good to those that persecute you, unless God tells you to go to battle and wipe them off the face of the earth. In that case, feel free to kill as many men, women and children as you like. In fact, take some of the men into slavery and the women as your wives, if you - or your leaders - hear a Voice telling them to do so."
If Jesus doesn’t take precedence over OT "principles" then he is irrelevant for me and my world.