Re: Homosexuality and new creation
Homosexuality and new creation By: Andrew (54 replies) 4 April, 2005 - 12:40
- Re: Homosexuality and new creation By: drew27 (10/08/2009 - 08:13)
- Re: Homosexuality and new creation By: Andrew (10/08/2009 - 10:18)
- Re: Homosexuality and new creation By: Jacob (17/05/2007 - 16:01)
- What's the deal? By: sbryan (07/05/2005 - 03:51)
- what grounds a sexual ethic? By: (10/07/2005 - 09:12)
- By way of an apology By: Ivan Latham (05/05/2005 - 02:33)
- Another apology By: paulhartigan (05/05/2005 - 03:01)
- But isn't the message of the Gospel that we CAN change? By: grifgraf (06/05/2005 - 10:15)
- Where there's smoke there's fire By: erlenmeyer71 (06/05/2005 - 16:39)
- Smoking was just an example By: grifgraf (06/05/2005 - 19:21)
- The gospel and gay people By: peter wilkinson (06/05/2005 - 12:42)
- Breaking the bonds of sin is hard By: grifgraf (06/05/2005 - 19:12)
- On breaking the bonds of sin By: paulhartigan (06/05/2005 - 21:59)
- Breaking the bonds of sin is hard By: grifgraf (06/05/2005 - 19:12)
- Where there's smoke there's fire By: erlenmeyer71 (06/05/2005 - 16:39)
- But isn't the message of the Gospel that we CAN change? By: grifgraf (06/05/2005 - 10:15)
- Another apology By: paulhartigan (05/05/2005 - 03:01)
- A Corruption of real love By: Ivan Latham (19/04/2005 - 02:27)
- Unnatural sexual fulfillment By: erlenmeyer71 (19/04/2005 - 16:33)
- Problematic By: sbryan (19/04/2005 - 19:37)
- Yes, and to be blunt By: erlenmeyer71 (19/04/2005 - 20:08)
- Problematic By: sbryan (19/04/2005 - 19:37)
- Love By: sbryan (19/04/2005 - 03:35)
- Born that way = Original Sin By: Ivan Latham (19/04/2005 - 07:08)
- Ivan Latham's statements about homosexuals By: (20/04/2005 - 21:04)
- Regarding Ivan. By: Alario (27/04/2005 - 00:30)
- Regarding Ivan By: paulhartigan (27/04/2005 - 03:05)
- Has anyone seen . . . ? By: peter wilkinson (27/04/2005 - 12:02)
- Regarding Ivan By: paulhartigan (27/04/2005 - 03:05)
- Let's tolerate the intolerant, too By: Chris (21/04/2005 - 14:00)
- You bring up a point I mentioned earlier to Ivan By: (20/04/2005 - 22:26)
- Treating other human beings with respect. By: paulhartigan (21/04/2005 - 04:00)
- Reason, Scripture, and Church Tradition By: sbryan (21/04/2005 - 00:49)
- Hence my suggestion By: erlenmeyer71 (21/04/2005 - 02:53)
- Regarding Ivan. By: Alario (27/04/2005 - 00:30)
- Ivan Latham's statements about homosexuals By: (20/04/2005 - 21:04)
- Born that way = Original Sin By: Ivan Latham (19/04/2005 - 07:08)
- Unnatural sexual fulfillment By: erlenmeyer71 (19/04/2005 - 16:33)
- Keep up the good work, Rob By: Ivan Latham (18/04/2005 - 20:31)
- Two Things By: 1beggar (11/04/2005 - 14:48)
- When you get right down to By: (15/04/2005 - 04:15)
- 1 Cor.10:13 By: (15/04/2005 - 10:54)
- not so much a question of degree By: Rob J. Caskey (16/04/2005 - 05:13)
- God-substitutes By: erlenmeyer71 (18/04/2005 - 18:45)
- Addressing the questions By: paulhartigan (16/04/2005 - 09:40)
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1-1. I believe scripture i By: Rob J. Caskey (19/04/2005 - 00:35)
- Marriage as service By: erlenmeyer71 (19/04/2005 - 16:29)
- Still not sure what you're getting at here By: andrew (19/04/2005 - 01:05)
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1-1. I believe scripture i By: Rob J. Caskey (19/04/2005 - 00:35)
- not so much a question of degree By: Rob J. Caskey (16/04/2005 - 05:13)
- 1 Cor.10:13 By: (15/04/2005 - 10:54)
- Humility on Both Sides By: sbryan (11/04/2005 - 16:57)
- overstatement By: 1beggar (11/04/2005 - 17:45)
- When you get right down to By: (15/04/2005 - 04:15)
- Inneresting tid-bit ... possible implications... By: Whitewave (08/04/2005 - 20:17)
- Homosexuality and the authority of the bible By: paulhartigan (05/04/2005 - 02:16)
- Shame, scripture and sex in heaven By: andrew (05/04/2005 - 15:32)
- Revisonist insights By: peter wilkinson (04/04/2005 - 19:46)
- Sin and semantics By: andrew (05/04/2005 - 15:21)
- Why always men? By: sbryan (06/04/2005 - 14:39)
- Why men? By: andrew (06/04/2005 - 15:46)
- Why men (continued)? By: peter wilkinson (06/04/2005 - 16:46)
- What were the women up to? By: (06/04/2005 - 18:27)
- This is exactly what I mean By: sbryan (07/04/2005 - 01:12)
- Immoderate indulgence? By: andrew (07/04/2005 - 10:34)
- Act and Attitude By: sbryan (07/04/2005 - 19:04)
- Genesis 38:9 By: erlenmeyer71 (07/04/2005 - 04:14)
- Thanks for the reminder. I wa By: sbryan (07/04/2005 - 04:53)
- Immoderate indulgence? By: andrew (07/04/2005 - 10:34)
- This is exactly what I mean By: sbryan (07/04/2005 - 01:12)
- What were the women up to? By: (06/04/2005 - 18:27)
- Why men (continued)? By: peter wilkinson (06/04/2005 - 16:46)
- Why men? By: andrew (06/04/2005 - 15:46)
- Why always men? By: sbryan (06/04/2005 - 14:39)
- Sin and semantics By: andrew (05/04/2005 - 15:21)
Re: Homosexuality and new creation
One significant way that the debate about homosexuality can be reframed is to stop saying the Bible says anything about “homosexuality.” No where in the Bible is the word “homosexual” used. Indeed, it would have been impossible for anyone during the Bible’s writing to mention the word since the history of “homosexual” is rather contemporary. It was first coined around the turn of the twentieth century. So, historically speaking, it is inaccurate and anachronistic to say the Bible says anything about “homosexuality.”
Secondly, this isn’t just semantics. The word “homosexual” is a politically loaded term that partisans use to denounce or to support their particular causes. It didn’t start receiving a lot of evangelical attention until the 1980s, 1990s and particularly during the 2000s. So, for those wishing to reframe the dialog, it would be wise (perhaps) to stop using the terminology that frames the old, combative debate between those in favor and those against.
Instead of “homosexual,” I think it would be better to use the depoliticized and fairly uncommon words written in Scripture. What does the Word actually say? In one instance, it says that men and women “exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural…. Men committed shameless acts with men, giving up natural…”(Romans 1:26-27).
The point is that to reframe the debate entails the use of new terminology that isn’t embedded in the old debate.