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Re: Against Fundamentalists, Trinitarians, and those who claim B

Re: Against Fundamentalists, Trinitarians, and those who claim B

"Your kind has always been attacking other Christians and the world. Woe to you. Your job as a Christian is to love everyone, be they a spiritual brother or a brother of humanity."

 As an orthodox Trinitarian Anglican who holds the high view of Scripture you despise and reject I don't quite know where to start.

Certainly there are or have been some of our kind who have not been guilty of such things. Are we to be condemned for stating and defending our beliefs as passionately as you have stated yours in your post? In your condemnation and accusations are you loving us in the same way in which you direct us to love others?

"Even the books within the NT appeal to Scripture outside the OT. Oops! Didn't catch that one, did they?"

I am not sure what this proves unless it proves the New Testament writers had nothing to hide and wrote what they saw and heard. I think Peter and Paul preached their gospel tailored to their audience. You don't need to tell a group of monotheistic Jews that God is one and the creator of the heavens and the earth, they already believe that. Paul on the other hand in preaching to a gentile audience would be wise to proceed slowly and establish common ground. What better way to establish that common ground than to incorporate the sacred texts or poetry familiar to his audience to help preach Jesus Christ to them? A message something like on Mars hill-"I am telling you about the God who created the heavens, and you and me and in whom we live and move and have our very being."

"Anywhere in the NT where you find him appealing to the authority of "Scripture" is when he is debating with someone trying him. When he teaches, he teaches his own interpretations of God and points out where his theology is evidenced in their scripture."

First, Jesus claims, according to Scripture, to be doing his Father's will, saying nothing that the Father has not told him to say. Jesus says his very food is to do his Father's will. So what ever Jesus is teaching about God is from God, not Jesus' private revelations or musings about God.

Second, Jesus told two of his disciples that they were dim witted and foolish because they did not believe all the prophets had spoken about. According to the Scriptures:

"And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself." Luke 24: 27

This not Jesus debating a Pharisee but rather teaching his disciples about what the Scriptures said about him.

I should point out  that, in my opinion, Jesus appeals to the authority of Scripture and identifies himself intimately with it in ways that are possibly less than obvious to you.

Jesus reads in his temple the scroll of Isaiah and at the high point tells his hearers that that day the Scripture had been fulfilled in their hearing and to their eyes. As the Scripture puts it, on the last, great day of the Feast of the Jews (tabernacles) and at the high point of the worship which entailed much imagery of water, Jesus stands up and yells out-If anyone is thirsty let him come to Me and I will  give him living water… An extremely impertinent and audacious move for someone other than the God who tabernacled among us.

I feel obligated also to tell you that your low view of Scripture does little for your argument as your argument is, to some degree, based in your reading and interpretation of Scripture.

Anyway, it's late Sunday night where I am and I'm in my office at work catching up before the grind begins again and I am very tired. Just one more thing, though.

The question I really want to know is, what aspect of your beliefs, what component of your life does orthodox Christianity stand against, or rub the wrong way?