war and God
NT Wright is seriously wrong By: paulhartigan (52 replies) 30 October, 2006 - 06:57
- Re: NT Wright is seriously wrong By: BradGW (22/11/2006 - 13:15)
- Re: NT Wright is seriously wrong By: redsand (13/11/2006 - 20:58)
- Anachronism and the OT By: paulhartigan (09/11/2006 - 00:45)
- Anachronism, contexts and joined-up thinking. By: peter wilkinson (09/11/2006 - 12:06)
- Tidying up the loose ends By: paulhartigan (10/11/2006 - 02:21)
- Just a couple of things By: peter wilkinson (10/11/2006 - 10:52)
- Wright on terror and Iraq By: john doyle (13/11/2006 - 10:45)
- Re: Does God favor world government? By: Chris (15/11/2006 - 03:28)
- World government - any government? By: peter wilkinson (15/11/2006 - 11:40)
- God can use what he does not favor By: Chris (16/11/2006 - 06:02)
- 2-2=1 By: samlcarr (15/11/2006 - 18:11)
- World government - any government? By: peter wilkinson (15/11/2006 - 11:40)
- War and the American evangelicals By: john doyle (13/11/2006 - 10:57)
- Re: Does God favor world government? By: Chris (15/11/2006 - 03:28)
- Wright on terror and Iraq By: john doyle (13/11/2006 - 10:45)
- NT-Ot exegesis By: samlcarr (10/11/2006 - 07:17)
- Brief comment on Jesus's radical critique of the OT By: paulhartigan (10/11/2006 - 08:34)
- How radical is the NT? By: samlcarr (10/11/2006 - 13:38)
- Brief comment on Jesus's radical critique of the OT By: paulhartigan (10/11/2006 - 08:34)
- Just a couple of things By: peter wilkinson (10/11/2006 - 10:52)
- I would like to point out By: QuirkyGrace (09/11/2006 - 16:40)
- Tidying up the loose ends By: paulhartigan (10/11/2006 - 02:21)
- Anachronism, contexts and joined-up thinking. By: peter wilkinson (09/11/2006 - 12:06)
- Jesus & the OT By: QuirkyGrace (08/11/2006 - 17:22)
- war and God By: john doyle (08/11/2006 - 21:52)
- Is God on our side? By: paulhartigan (09/11/2006 - 04:56)
- war and God By: john doyle (08/11/2006 - 21:52)
- Alia tempora, alii mores - yes, up to a point By: peter wilkinson (08/11/2006 - 14:44)
- Alia tempora alii mores? By: paulhartigan (07/11/2006 - 23:56)
- Jesus and God By: samlcarr (05/11/2006 - 07:08)
- violence: divergence, convergence, emergence By: john doyle (06/11/2006 - 20:57)
- God: violent or benevolent? By: peter wilkinson (07/11/2006 - 16:42)
- OT, NT By: Daniel D. Farmer (07/11/2006 - 02:36)
- violence: divergence, convergence, emergence By: john doyle (06/11/2006 - 20:57)
- More tales from the outback By: paulhartigan (05/11/2006 - 06:24)
- Taking it personally By: paulhartigan (02/11/2006 - 19:53)
- A hot day in the outback By: peter wilkinson (03/11/2006 - 23:32)
- link repair By: john doyle (02/11/2006 - 11:31)
- alternative reconciliations By: john doyle (02/11/2006 - 11:26)
- Persistent and antipodean By: paulhartigan (02/11/2006 - 20:14)
- fair enough By: john doyle (02/11/2006 - 23:44)
- The long silence By: peter wilkinson (02/11/2006 - 17:50)
- Alternative Reconciliations By: QuirkyGrace (02/11/2006 - 15:45)
- Persistent and antipodean By: paulhartigan (02/11/2006 - 20:14)
- Two covenants rather than two gods By: Chris (02/11/2006 - 02:40)
- A violent and unforgiving God! By: paulhartigan (01/11/2006 - 20:31)
- Not a violent and unforgiving God By: peter wilkinson (02/11/2006 - 00:52)
- Defending the indefensible? By: paulhartigan (02/11/2006 - 02:44)
- Inconsistencies By: peter wilkinson (02/11/2006 - 10:07)
- Defending the indefensible? By: paulhartigan (02/11/2006 - 02:44)
- Not a violent and unforgiving God By: peter wilkinson (02/11/2006 - 00:52)
- Wright is right By: Virgil (01/11/2006 - 03:13)
- two gods? By: john doyle (31/10/2006 - 15:59)
- The fall? By: QuirkyGrace (31/10/2006 - 05:50)
- It all depends By: peter wilkinson (31/10/2006 - 09:41)
- But on what does it all depend? By: paulhartigan (31/10/2006 - 11:21)
- Perpend By: peter wilkinson (31/10/2006 - 13:10)
- Suspend By: paulhartigan (01/11/2006 - 01:52)
- Wright, 1st century Judaism, Mosaic covenant & Israel's destiny By: peter wilkinson (01/11/2006 - 11:05)
- Tim By: seitz-brown (31/10/2006 - 14:19)
- A violent and unforgiving God? By: paulhartigan (01/11/2006 - 02:20)
- YHWH in the OT By: Daniel D. Farmer (01/11/2006 - 05:06)
- A violent and unforgiving God? By: paulhartigan (01/11/2006 - 02:20)
- Suspend By: paulhartigan (01/11/2006 - 01:52)
- Perpend By: peter wilkinson (31/10/2006 - 13:10)
- But on what does it all depend? By: paulhartigan (31/10/2006 - 11:21)
- "The fall" By: paulhartigan (31/10/2006 - 08:11)
- It all depends By: peter wilkinson (31/10/2006 - 09:41)
- N.T.Wright is seriously formidable By: peter wilkinson (30/10/2006 - 16:29)
war and God
Yesterday’s elections have thrown a spotlight on the ambiguous relationship between God, nation, and war. Though a significant proportion of my fellow-countrymen might disagree, Americans are not God’s chosen people. The majority of American evangelicals supported the war in Iraq, and I would venture to assert that most of them believed God had specifically directed Bush to launch the war. Of course the gradual decline in popular support for the war means nothing as to whether Bush’s discernment of God’s will was accurate. Still, even entertaining the idea that God would promote a pre-emptive war in order to protect the homeland is surely an Old Testament idea transported into New Testament times. Our individualistic, humanistic era clearly hasn’t extinguished the all-too-human instinct of powerful nations and rulers to invoke God’s blessing on its military exploits.
In criticizing Yahweh’s Old Testament violence it’s possible that we’re anachronistically imposing a more enlightened ethic on a more barbaric historical era. It’s also possible that God’s support of his own people may at times have required him to crush the other nations militarily. It’s also possible that, once Christ came, God stopped taking sides in wars. Practically any interpretation is conceivable. The overriding issue is whether the Old Testament writers are reliable in ascribing responsibility to God for human undertakings and outcomes. I have no new insights to offer on how best to answer that question. Hopefully the canonical authors received clearer signals than everybody else who has overinterpreted God’s intentions in human warfare down through the ages. (Maybe God really did tell Bush to go to war in Iraq, but now he’s punishing America for its corruption and hubris?)
The original post tied God’s O.T. violence with Wright’s theology, and perhaps there is a connection. Christ’s atonement and resurrection made it possible to graft non-Jews individually into the collective people of God: isn’t that Wright’s idea? We are dead to the Jewish Law and its severe system of punishments. But does God still act on behalf of his collective people in a way that’s continuous with his Old Testament dealings on behalf of Israel? If so, does that suggest that God might support holy wars, crusades, etc. in the New Testament era? Or perhaps I’m off the track here.