hollow economics with false politics
How should the emerging church respond to the prospect of 'large-scale ecosystem collapse'? By: Andrew (76 replies) 24 October, 2006 - 18:07
- Re: How should the emerging church... By: larry91403 (26/12/2007 - 09:21)
- Re: How should the emerging church respond to the prospect of 'l By: redsand (13/11/2006 - 20:54)
- Hayek and Locke By: samlcarr (06/11/2006 - 07:36)
- The love of money By: janamills (05/11/2006 - 02:36)
- Twisting the words of Christ By: Virgil (05/11/2006 - 04:47)
- early church economics By: samlcarr (05/11/2006 - 06:25)
- Yes but consider the context By: Virgil (05/11/2006 - 21:38)
- system of trade and principal of ownership By: Melody (06/11/2006 - 02:33)
- California eh? :) By: Virgil (06/11/2006 - 03:11)
- hollow economics with false politics By: samlcarr (06/11/2006 - 05:09)
- The right question By: Virgil (06/11/2006 - 06:08)
- Romania to Ohio? By: Melody (06/11/2006 - 07:42)
- The right question By: Virgil (06/11/2006 - 06:08)
- hollow economics with false politics By: samlcarr (06/11/2006 - 05:09)
- California eh? :) By: Virgil (06/11/2006 - 03:11)
- system of trade and principal of ownership By: Melody (06/11/2006 - 02:33)
- Yes but consider the context By: Virgil (05/11/2006 - 21:38)
- early church economics By: samlcarr (05/11/2006 - 06:25)
- Commoditizing? By: Melody (05/11/2006 - 04:00)
- Twisting the words of Christ By: Virgil (05/11/2006 - 04:47)
- How should the emerging church respond to the prospect of 'large By: Melody (04/11/2006 - 20:03)
- The curse is no more By: Virgil (04/11/2006 - 23:50)
- How should the emerging church respond to the prospect of 'large By: Melody (04/11/2006 - 20:02)
- Asia & US Emissions By: janamills (03/11/2006 - 16:18)
- Asia & Climate Change By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 21:30)
- Well, the BBC reports that By: Sun Warrior (03/11/2006 - 01:28)
- political change? By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 22:09)
- Costs & Liberty By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 22:11)
- Not so quickly... By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 22:42)
- Chicken or the Egg By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 23:55)
- America the best... By: Virgil (31/10/2006 - 00:38)
- No twist intended By: janamills (31/10/2006 - 01:15)
- Party on, this is the Jubilee! By: Virgil (31/10/2006 - 02:39)
- Billions in Poverty By: janamills (31/10/2006 - 12:25)
- decisions, decisions By: samlcarr (31/10/2006 - 16:03)
- Excellent points By: Virgil (01/11/2006 - 00:30)
- Jesus as unpolitical? By: janamills (31/10/2006 - 23:40)
- Who's politics? By: Virgil (01/11/2006 - 00:24)
- decisions, decisions By: samlcarr (31/10/2006 - 16:03)
- Billions in Poverty By: janamills (31/10/2006 - 12:25)
- Party on, this is the Jubilee! By: Virgil (31/10/2006 - 02:39)
- No twist intended By: janamills (31/10/2006 - 01:15)
- America the best... By: Virgil (31/10/2006 - 00:38)
- Chicken or the Egg By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 23:55)
- Not so quickly... By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 22:42)
- Costs & Liberty By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 22:11)
- How different are we from Bible characters? By: Sun Warrior (30/10/2006 - 17:31)
- Climate change rally in Trafalgar Square, 4 November By: peter wilkinson (30/10/2006 - 11:47)
- Prophets of hope By: andrew (06/11/2006 - 11:37)
- Trafalgar Square rally By: peter wilkinson (06/11/2006 - 14:58)
- This is not good... By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 16:47)
- Virgil, 'Communistic?' By: Sun Warrior (30/10/2006 - 18:10)
- Yes, Communistic By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 18:24)
- Tony Blair Closet communist By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 21:05)
- it's all the same By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 21:34)
- My Apologies, Virgil By: Sun Warrior (30/10/2006 - 19:18)
- Tony Blair Closet communist By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 21:05)
- Yes, Communistic By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 18:24)
- No pressure from Exxon then? By: peter wilkinson (30/10/2006 - 17:07)
- Exxon who? We need to look at the facts By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 18:02)
- Exxon Mobil By: peter wilkinson (30/10/2006 - 21:56)
- You are right... By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 22:06)
- Exxon Mobil By: peter wilkinson (30/10/2006 - 21:56)
- Exxon who? We need to look at the facts By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 18:02)
- Virgil, 'Communistic?' By: Sun Warrior (30/10/2006 - 18:10)
- Prophets of hope By: andrew (06/11/2006 - 11:37)
- Environmental Novice By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 02:17)
- Learning to love God's creation By: samlcarr (29/10/2006 - 20:48)
- Could the curse of the ground actually be man? By: Sun Warrior (29/10/2006 - 19:21)
- 100mg Crichton q.day By: samlcarr (29/10/2006 - 18:19)
- Well, the problem is we're By: Sun Warrior (27/10/2006 - 22:54)
- How bout mass SUVicide? God loves people, not cars By: QuirkyGrace (26/10/2006 - 22:34)
- Jesus loves diesel trucks By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 23:39)
- Respectfully By: QuirkyGrace (27/10/2006 - 01:00)
- Anti-Walmart rethoric By: Virgil (27/10/2006 - 01:26)
- Bait taken By: QuirkyGrace (27/10/2006 - 01:57)
- everyone wins! By: Virgil (27/10/2006 - 03:39)
- buttons, capitalism and a prophetic voice By: QuirkyGrace (27/10/2006 - 04:21)
- everyone wins! By: Virgil (27/10/2006 - 03:39)
- Bait taken By: QuirkyGrace (27/10/2006 - 01:57)
- Anti-Walmart rethoric By: Virgil (27/10/2006 - 01:26)
- Respectfully By: QuirkyGrace (27/10/2006 - 01:00)
- Jesus loves diesel trucks By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 23:39)
- What would Jesus drive? By: QuirkyGrace (26/10/2006 - 18:36)
- Would Jesus advocate mass suicide? By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 19:41)
- both wings working By: samlcarr (26/10/2006 - 20:47)
- I bleed purple too... By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 23:42)
- both wings working By: samlcarr (26/10/2006 - 20:47)
- Would Jesus advocate mass suicide? By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 19:41)
- standing up By: john doyle (26/10/2006 - 15:59)
- Yes and No By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 05:20)
- Modelling authentic humanity By: andrew (26/10/2006 - 10:29)
- it's the relationships By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 19:56)
- Imagine By: andrew (27/10/2006 - 05:28)
- Noah restored that world... By: Virgil (27/10/2006 - 17:07)
- Oh Noah he didn't By: andrew (28/10/2006 - 08:20)
- Two curses? By: Virgil (28/10/2006 - 17:03)
- You didn't read my By: andrew (31/10/2006 - 04:45)
- What about today? By: Virgil (31/10/2006 - 04:51)
- You didn't read my By: andrew (31/10/2006 - 04:45)
- Two curses? By: Virgil (28/10/2006 - 17:03)
- Oh Noah he didn't By: andrew (28/10/2006 - 08:20)
- Noah restored that world... By: Virgil (27/10/2006 - 17:07)
- broaden that brush By: samlcarr (26/10/2006 - 21:26)
- SUVs personify capitalism By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 23:58)
- Imagine By: andrew (27/10/2006 - 05:28)
- it's the relationships By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 19:56)
- what if? By: samlcarr (26/10/2006 - 10:18)
- Modelling authentic humanity By: andrew (26/10/2006 - 10:29)
- Let us be human By: Elizaphanian (25/10/2006 - 21:01)
- Four Responses By: cscotta (25/10/2006 - 03:18)
hollow economics with false politics
Sorry Virgil but the Western ascetic tradition does not in any way correspond to what we see in Acts and the expectation that Jesus will imminently return is always a part of our eschatology - even for most Preterists!
The early Christians would no more remove themselves from the world than Jesus had done for they were all first and foremost followers of Jesus. Living communally does not equal communism and voluntarism is absolutely required or we make a mockery of the gospel itself. What we see in Acts is the spontaneous response of the first believers. What will the emerging church of the 21st century spontaneously do?
Let’s at least try for a major rethink. I do believe that we have to explore getting rid of categories like communist/capitalist as far as christian living is concerned. The question really should be, in the light of Jesus’s teaching how should we live?
These are questions that have been asked most notably by Francis Schaeffer, Ron Sider and more recently by Chuck Colson. I found some good stuff in Colson’s work but the focus is not on kingdom teaching and the philosophical framework that they propose is not convincing either (Plato vs Aristotle). Concepts quite foreign to the biblical narrative are taking precedence and driving what looks suspiciously like a soft neocon agenda.
The emerging church has an opportunity to really break the mold and try to integrate a way of life that is based on kingdom principles without regard to present systems of philosophy, ethics and politics. I would expect that there should be a diversity of experimentation based on how local fellowships rethink and apply. Some PoMo tools will be very helpful in this endeavor, especially deconstruction, but it’s how we reconstruct that will be most interesting!
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