Party on, this is the Jubilee!
How should the emerging church respond to the prospect of 'large-scale ecosystem collapse'? By: Andrew (76 replies) 24 October, 2006 - 18:07
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- system of trade and principal of ownership By: Melody (06/11/2006 - 02:33)
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- Chicken or the Egg By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 23:55)
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Party on, this is the Jubilee!
I would submit to you that in a free market environment success can be afforded to all and it is equally available to all those willing to pursue it. However there are two factors working against success in our example, (1) government interference and instrusion messing up the works of the market and (2) lazy people who want to live off someone else’s back.
When I refer to lazy people, I am not refering to the poor - being disabled in any way, or unable to work or provide for your own family should in no way be viewed as being “lazy” and I believe it is the role of the Church, not that of the government to take care of those less fortunate than us who end up in poverty due to either addiction or other reasons, but let us not confuse that with those who want to practice the Robin Hood philosophy and take from those who spend their lives working hard in order to give to others. Redistribution of wealth and income is probably the most wicked, unethical and unjust things taking place in the world today, and if you will say that you do not trust the market to take care of the poor, well I can say that I do not trust the government to do the same. It is not the job of the market or that of the government to care for people - it is the job and purpose of believers (as you rightly pointed out).
Emergent is revitalizing this point, mostly because it has been abandoned by so many Christians, but taking the responsibility away from Christians and turning it over the a government is NOT a solution, and if that is where emerging Christians are heading with this, I want no part of it.
Regarding the Year of the Jubilee, that is an interesting question. Many of the bankrupcy laws are based on the Old Covenant idea of forgiveness of debts and freeing of slaves, however the Year of the Jubilee point to a higher spiritual reality as far as I understand. To quote from a recent article I wrote:
I believe this age in which we live now is a day and the Year of the Jubilee that Jesus was speaking of and implying when he read Isaiah 61. It is spiritual in nature, but it can and it should have physical implications. It should prompt us all to WANT to help the poor, give sight to the blind and free those in debt and slavery. By the same token, I also believe God wants our WILLING hearts to do those things, not coerced hearts. I guess it is there where we differ in our approach and understanding of those passages.