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How should the emerging church respond to the prospect of 'large-scale ecosystem collapse'? By: Andrew (76 replies) 24 October, 2006 - 18:07
- Re: How should the emerging church... By: larry91403 (26/12/2007 - 09:21)
- Re: How should the emerging church respond to the prospect of 'l By: redsand (13/11/2006 - 20:54)
- Hayek and Locke By: samlcarr (06/11/2006 - 07:36)
- The love of money By: janamills (05/11/2006 - 02:36)
- Twisting the words of Christ By: Virgil (05/11/2006 - 04:47)
- early church economics By: samlcarr (05/11/2006 - 06:25)
- Yes but consider the context By: Virgil (05/11/2006 - 21:38)
- system of trade and principal of ownership By: Melody (06/11/2006 - 02:33)
- California eh? :) By: Virgil (06/11/2006 - 03:11)
- hollow economics with false politics By: samlcarr (06/11/2006 - 05:09)
- The right question By: Virgil (06/11/2006 - 06:08)
- Romania to Ohio? By: Melody (06/11/2006 - 07:42)
- The right question By: Virgil (06/11/2006 - 06:08)
- hollow economics with false politics By: samlcarr (06/11/2006 - 05:09)
- California eh? :) By: Virgil (06/11/2006 - 03:11)
- system of trade and principal of ownership By: Melody (06/11/2006 - 02:33)
- Yes but consider the context By: Virgil (05/11/2006 - 21:38)
- early church economics By: samlcarr (05/11/2006 - 06:25)
- Commoditizing? By: Melody (05/11/2006 - 04:00)
- Twisting the words of Christ By: Virgil (05/11/2006 - 04:47)
- How should the emerging church respond to the prospect of 'large By: Melody (04/11/2006 - 20:03)
- The curse is no more By: Virgil (04/11/2006 - 23:50)
- How should the emerging church respond to the prospect of 'large By: Melody (04/11/2006 - 20:02)
- Asia & US Emissions By: janamills (03/11/2006 - 16:18)
- Asia & Climate Change By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 21:30)
- Well, the BBC reports that By: Sun Warrior (03/11/2006 - 01:28)
- political change? By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 22:09)
- Costs & Liberty By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 22:11)
- Not so quickly... By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 22:42)
- Chicken or the Egg By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 23:55)
- America the best... By: Virgil (31/10/2006 - 00:38)
- No twist intended By: janamills (31/10/2006 - 01:15)
- Party on, this is the Jubilee! By: Virgil (31/10/2006 - 02:39)
- Billions in Poverty By: janamills (31/10/2006 - 12:25)
- decisions, decisions By: samlcarr (31/10/2006 - 16:03)
- Excellent points By: Virgil (01/11/2006 - 00:30)
- Jesus as unpolitical? By: janamills (31/10/2006 - 23:40)
- Who's politics? By: Virgil (01/11/2006 - 00:24)
- decisions, decisions By: samlcarr (31/10/2006 - 16:03)
- Billions in Poverty By: janamills (31/10/2006 - 12:25)
- Party on, this is the Jubilee! By: Virgil (31/10/2006 - 02:39)
- No twist intended By: janamills (31/10/2006 - 01:15)
- America the best... By: Virgil (31/10/2006 - 00:38)
- Chicken or the Egg By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 23:55)
- Not so quickly... By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 22:42)
- Costs & Liberty By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 22:11)
- How different are we from Bible characters? By: Sun Warrior (30/10/2006 - 17:31)
- Climate change rally in Trafalgar Square, 4 November By: peter wilkinson (30/10/2006 - 11:47)
- Prophets of hope By: andrew (06/11/2006 - 11:37)
- Trafalgar Square rally By: peter wilkinson (06/11/2006 - 14:58)
- This is not good... By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 16:47)
- Virgil, 'Communistic?' By: Sun Warrior (30/10/2006 - 18:10)
- Yes, Communistic By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 18:24)
- Tony Blair Closet communist By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 21:05)
- it's all the same By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 21:34)
- My Apologies, Virgil By: Sun Warrior (30/10/2006 - 19:18)
- Tony Blair Closet communist By: janamills (30/10/2006 - 21:05)
- Yes, Communistic By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 18:24)
- No pressure from Exxon then? By: peter wilkinson (30/10/2006 - 17:07)
- Exxon who? We need to look at the facts By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 18:02)
- Exxon Mobil By: peter wilkinson (30/10/2006 - 21:56)
- You are right... By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 22:06)
- Exxon Mobil By: peter wilkinson (30/10/2006 - 21:56)
- Exxon who? We need to look at the facts By: Virgil (30/10/2006 - 18:02)
- Virgil, 'Communistic?' By: Sun Warrior (30/10/2006 - 18:10)
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- 100mg Crichton q.day By: samlcarr (29/10/2006 - 18:19)
- Well, the problem is we're By: Sun Warrior (27/10/2006 - 22:54)
- How bout mass SUVicide? God loves people, not cars By: QuirkyGrace (26/10/2006 - 22:34)
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- Respectfully By: QuirkyGrace (27/10/2006 - 01:00)
- Anti-Walmart rethoric By: Virgil (27/10/2006 - 01:26)
- Bait taken By: QuirkyGrace (27/10/2006 - 01:57)
- everyone wins! By: Virgil (27/10/2006 - 03:39)
- buttons, capitalism and a prophetic voice By: QuirkyGrace (27/10/2006 - 04:21)
- everyone wins! By: Virgil (27/10/2006 - 03:39)
- Bait taken By: QuirkyGrace (27/10/2006 - 01:57)
- Anti-Walmart rethoric By: Virgil (27/10/2006 - 01:26)
- Respectfully By: QuirkyGrace (27/10/2006 - 01:00)
- Jesus loves diesel trucks By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 23:39)
- What would Jesus drive? By: QuirkyGrace (26/10/2006 - 18:36)
- Would Jesus advocate mass suicide? By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 19:41)
- both wings working By: samlcarr (26/10/2006 - 20:47)
- I bleed purple too... By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 23:42)
- both wings working By: samlcarr (26/10/2006 - 20:47)
- Would Jesus advocate mass suicide? By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 19:41)
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- Yes and No By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 05:20)
- Modelling authentic humanity By: andrew (26/10/2006 - 10:29)
- it's the relationships By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 19:56)
- Imagine By: andrew (27/10/2006 - 05:28)
- Noah restored that world... By: Virgil (27/10/2006 - 17:07)
- Oh Noah he didn't By: andrew (28/10/2006 - 08:20)
- Two curses? By: Virgil (28/10/2006 - 17:03)
- You didn't read my By: andrew (31/10/2006 - 04:45)
- What about today? By: Virgil (31/10/2006 - 04:51)
- You didn't read my By: andrew (31/10/2006 - 04:45)
- Two curses? By: Virgil (28/10/2006 - 17:03)
- Oh Noah he didn't By: andrew (28/10/2006 - 08:20)
- Noah restored that world... By: Virgil (27/10/2006 - 17:07)
- broaden that brush By: samlcarr (26/10/2006 - 21:26)
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- Imagine By: andrew (27/10/2006 - 05:28)
- it's the relationships By: Virgil (26/10/2006 - 19:56)
- what if? By: samlcarr (26/10/2006 - 10:18)
- Modelling authentic humanity By: andrew (26/10/2006 - 10:29)
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- Four Responses By: cscotta (25/10/2006 - 03:18)
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Peter, I just looked at the website for this group and it’s full of lies and misleading statements. I believe that if the emerging church is starting to associate itself with groups that use lying to push their agenda, then credibility will go down the drain pretty quickly. Here are some of the lies listed at http://www.stopclimatechaos.org/4.asp
1. 150,000 people already die every year from climate change (World Health Organisation) - blatant lie and manufactured statistic; I cannot see any way this group can actualy prove this claim.
2. The area of the world stricken by drought has doubled between 1970 and the early 2000s (Greenpeace) - the Sahara desert has been expanding for hundreds of years before man started to burn coal and before the internal combustion engine was invented; what/who caused that?
3. The economic costs of global warming are doubling every decade (UN) - another misleading statistic which factors in floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. All these things happened as much or more for hundreds of years. The only reason cost is higher is because the footprint of populated areas is expanding and the target of natural disasters is larger.
4. The impact of climate change on some wildlife will already be catastrophic even with little further change in the climate. Up to a third of land-based species could face extinction by the middle of the century (RSPB) - we did not need global warming to kill off the dinosaurs and thousands of other species millions of years ago.
5. 100 million more people will be flooded by end of century (FoE) - see point 3 above.
6. People in low-income countries are four times more likely to die in natural disasters than people in high income countries…Poverty and lagging development exacerbates people’s vulnerability to extreme weather - communistic propaganda - what does this have to do with global warming?
7. Water availability could decline – Over 3 billion people in the Middle East and the Indian sub-continent could be facing acute shortages of water - not news - Misleading statement; for thousands of years people in various areas have been in need of water.
8. 30 million more people may be hungry because of climate change by 2050 (Hadley Centre, UK) - another bogus fact - millions of people have always been hungry; there is no way to prove this statement wrong, so how can they prove it right?
9. There has been a 40% drop in the amount of arctic ice since the 1970s - another misleading statement. Most scientists agree that our planet is coming out of an ice age right now. Global warming is a reality, however IT IS NOT caused by human activity. I can walk outside my house here in Ohio and can see glaciar activity in the form of mounds and huge granite boulders brought here all the way from Canada by glaciers thousands of years ago. Who and what melted those glaciers back then?
10. The cost of insured damage in a severe hurricane season in the USA could rise by three-quarters to £82billion - another ridiculous fact. This is a statement about market economics and insurance statistics. Nobody is forcing me to insure my houe against hurricanes if I do not want to do so.
I could go on and on and take apart every “fact” presented by this group. All I am pleading for with you and everyone else involved in this debate is discernment and common sense. Many of those groups have been hijacked by political interest groups and socio-communist interests and they could not care less about the environment - money is the drive. I’ll try to find a study I read a while back about how many of those groups are linked fund-raising for left-wing parties and I’ll send it your way.