Re: A second coming to earth in Heb.9:28?
Christ will appear a second time By: Andrew (34 replies) 7 February, 2006 - 12:09
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Re: A second coming to earth in Heb.9:28?
Andrew wrote:
While I somewhat agree with your conclusion that "This is not a second coming to earth - it is much more like the coming of the Son of man to the throne of the Ancient of Days to receive a kingdom on behalf of the suffering saints of the Most High" I find the path you took to get there somewhat convoluted.
The Material in Hebrews explaining His high priestly role is based on the atonement in Leviticus 16.
While it is true that the high priest had to appear twice in the holy of holies (before the mercy seat), it is also true that he had to appear twice before the people. Thus, for Jesus to adequately fulfill the typology it was necessary that as high priest He must take His blood into the holy of holies (first appearance) and sprinkle His blood upon the mercy seat. That being done, He must appear before the people (first appearance) to declare sins forgiven. That being done, He must then take the kid that was selected "for the LORD," sacrifice it and take its blood into the holy of holies (second appearance) and sprinkle its blood on the mercy seat. That being done He must then appear before the people again (second appearance).
Now, ostensibly this is the way that all those things actually worked out to fulfill the type in the first century. Jesus, the Prince and Savior (Acts 3:14, 5:31) sacrificed Himself on the cross and was resurrected to become the high priest - as the high priest He then ascended to the Father and took His blood into the holy of holies and sprinkled it on the mercy seat (first appearance, John 20:17ff). This being done He came out of the holy of holies an appeared before the people (first appearance, John 17:19ff) and identified the "kid" "chosen for the LORD" ("those looking for Him") and returned to the Father (second appearance, ascension, Acts 1:9-11) and functioning as the high priest; presided over the sacrifice of the "kid chosen for the LORD" (Rev 6:9-11). When the sacrifice was completed by the killing of those "that should be killed…" Jesus took the blood of the sacrifice into the holy of holies and sprinkled it on the mercy seat (second appearance) and appeared the second time before those who were "looking for Him" (Col 3:4; 1Tim 6:14; 2Tim 1:10, 4:1,8; 1Pet 1:7, 5:4; 1John 2:28, 3:2; et al.) This final event is the Parousia. It is the coming of the resurrected Son of man and the resurrected "kid" sacrifice (the first century martyrs, cf. Rev 20:4) coming into the kingdom of heaven. Upon the Parousia (both second appearances as one) the scapegoat was sent into the wilderness (Rev 17:3) where it was destroyed (Rev 17:16-18). Ostensibly, the metaphor used within the NT to represent the "two kids" of Leviticus 16:5, 7-10, et al. is the two sons of the two women of Galatians 4:22 or something like that.
Perhaps, the following verses (emphasis added) best explain the finale presented above: