When the perfect comes
Post-eschatological charismatic? By: Chris Grataski (36 replies) 4 September, 2006 - 08:21
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When the perfect comes
Virgil, a quick thought regarding the ‘perfect’ that will come and make prophecy irrelevant. In Phil. 3:10-12 Paul seems to connect becoming ‘perfect’ (teteleiÅmai) with resurrection. His hope is to share in Christ’s sufferings and attain the resurrection of the dead - because Christ has made him his own. I think this latter phrase describes not a general condition of being Christian but a quite specific vocation to suffer as Christ suffered. To become ‘perfect’ is to complete the eschatological journey of suffering, resurrection, vindication and exaltation to the right hand of God. At the end of that journey, when Paul reigns with Christ in glory, he will see face to face, he will no longer know him through the gifts of the Spirit.