Socinianism revisited?
Prayer to Jesus By: paulchen (51 replies) 10 June, 2006 - 13:26
- Re: Prayer to Jesus By: disciple320 (23/01/2009 - 17:40)
- Is it proper to pray to our Mother Jesus? By: Joel Richardson (22/06/2006 - 03:42)
- That doesn't make any sense By: Michael S (22/06/2006 - 04:28)
- Where Does This End? By: pastorerik (22/06/2006 - 18:45)
- foolishness? By: Daniel D. Farmer (22/06/2006 - 20:45)
- Am I Making Sense... By: pastorerik (22/06/2006 - 22:46)
- Peter,
:)
I'm By: Joel Richardson (22/06/2006 - 23:02)
- Jesus By: Daniel D. Farmer (23/06/2006 - 23:57)
- God the Father in the OT By: Michael S (24/06/2006 - 00:45)
- father By: Daniel D. Farmer (24/06/2006 - 17:28)
- God the Father in the OT By: Michael S (24/06/2006 - 00:45)
- Jesus By: Daniel D. Farmer (23/06/2006 - 23:57)
- Peter,
:)
I'm By: Joel Richardson (22/06/2006 - 23:02)
- Am I Making Sense... By: pastorerik (22/06/2006 - 22:46)
- foolishness? By: Daniel D. Farmer (22/06/2006 - 20:45)
- Very Bad Joke By: Joel Richardson (22/06/2006 - 05:22)
- Very bad idea By: peter wilkinson (22/06/2006 - 15:35)
- Where Does This End? By: pastorerik (22/06/2006 - 18:45)
- That doesn't make any sense By: Michael S (22/06/2006 - 04:28)
- Umm.... By: pastorerik (21/06/2006 - 20:36)
- question By: Daniel D. Farmer (22/06/2006 - 00:13)
- A feminine Creator-Deity By: Michael S (22/06/2006 - 03:37)
- question By: Daniel D. Farmer (22/06/2006 - 00:13)
- PCUSA and God as mother By: Daniel D. Farmer (20/06/2006 - 22:24)
- Source, Word, Breath By: Michael S (21/06/2006 - 05:43)
- word By: Daniel D. Farmer (21/06/2006 - 17:32)
- Source, Word, Breath By: Michael S (21/06/2006 - 05:43)
- Isn't the name of this website... By: pastorerik (13/06/2006 - 02:41)
- prague By: Daniel D. Farmer (11/06/2006 - 18:35)
- Paul,
Thanks for diverting By: Joel Richardson (10/06/2006 - 15:05)
- Joel, I think I avoided By: paulchen (10/06/2006 - 20:35)
- Paul,Your reply is pretty By: Joel Richardson (11/06/2006 - 04:47)
- Joel,
before I answer the By: paulchen (11/06/2006 - 08:56)
- Paul,I'm about as straight By: Joel Richardson (11/06/2006 - 14:43)
- delete By: Joel Richardson (11/06/2006 - 14:38)
- Joel,
before I answer the By: paulchen (11/06/2006 - 08:56)
- Paul,Your reply is pretty By: Joel Richardson (11/06/2006 - 04:47)
- Joel, I think I avoided By: paulchen (10/06/2006 - 20:35)
- Socinianism revisited? By: peter wilkinson (10/06/2006 - 15:02)
- one more thing, Peter, why By: paulchen (11/06/2006 - 13:44)
- Jesus, prayer, and a trip to Prague By: peter wilkinson (11/06/2006 - 16:53)
- Trinity over the Bible By: paulchen (12/06/2006 - 11:13)
- Re: Trinity over the Bible By: PIVOT POINT (14/02/2007 - 02:41)
- The Godhead By: pastorerik (12/06/2006 - 14:17)
- I'm going to refrain from By: Joel Richardson (12/06/2006 - 23:20)
- Joel, you are reading a By: paulchen (13/06/2006 - 08:56)
- Paul,
We're obviousy having By: Joel Richardson (13/06/2006 - 14:01)
- not that easy By: paulchen (14/06/2006 - 00:26)
- Paul, By: Joel Richardson (14/06/2006 - 00:43)
- Oh Man... By: pastorerik (14/06/2006 - 04:16)
- Ehrman By: Joel Richardson (14/06/2006 - 05:02)
- Uhoh, He Dragged Chick into it to! By: pastorerik (14/06/2006 - 06:10)
- The question as to when the By: Joel Richardson (14/06/2006 - 15:01)
- Definitely By: pastorerik (14/06/2006 - 18:08)
- A digression from Prayer to Jesus By: peter wilkinson (14/06/2006 - 15:11)
- The question as to when the By: Joel Richardson (14/06/2006 - 15:01)
- Uhoh, He Dragged Chick into it to! By: pastorerik (14/06/2006 - 06:10)
- Ehrman By: Joel Richardson (14/06/2006 - 05:02)
- Oh Man... By: pastorerik (14/06/2006 - 04:16)
- Paul, By: Joel Richardson (14/06/2006 - 00:43)
- not that easy By: paulchen (14/06/2006 - 00:26)
- Paul,
We're obviousy having By: Joel Richardson (13/06/2006 - 14:01)
- Joel, you are reading a By: paulchen (13/06/2006 - 08:56)
- I'm going to refrain from By: Joel Richardson (12/06/2006 - 23:20)
- Jesus, prayer, the trinity and Czech beer. By: peter wilkinson (12/06/2006 - 14:06)
- Peter, unfortunately we do By: paulchen (13/06/2006 - 01:03)
- Jesus - the valid focus of our prayers By: peter wilkinson (13/06/2006 - 11:52)
- Peter, unfortunately we do By: paulchen (13/06/2006 - 01:03)
- Paul has a backpackers By: Joel Richardson (11/06/2006 - 17:21)
- invitiation to Sir Toby's By: paulchen (11/06/2006 - 19:28)
- "P.S. Joel, why don't we By: Joel Richardson (11/06/2006 - 22:06)
- invitiation to Sir Toby's By: paulchen (11/06/2006 - 19:28)
- Trinity over the Bible By: paulchen (12/06/2006 - 11:13)
- Jesus, prayer, and a trip to Prague By: peter wilkinson (11/06/2006 - 16:53)
- In Jesus' Name By: pastorerik (11/06/2006 - 02:04)
- Peter, I understand your By: paulchen (10/06/2006 - 19:55)
- one more thing, Peter, why By: paulchen (11/06/2006 - 13:44)
Socinianism revisited?
I’m wondering where this thread (and the conversation it has generated on the ‘Am I sure?’ thread) is coming from - and where it might be going. The issue of addressing prayer to Jesus is a subset of a larger question about Jesus being perceived in the NT as human, divine or both. Addressing prayer to Jesus (or not) connects with other issues: was the word ‘Lord’ in relation to Jesus (before and after his resurrection) an implicit recognition of his divinity, or was it no more than a human term of respect? Does the NT use the phrase ‘Son of God’ in an undeveloped OT sense, or as one which added to the former sense new associations of divinity? And did God (the Father) require a human sacrifice to atone for Israel’s (and the world’s) sin - or did he participate personally in that sacrifice?
I’ve a feeling that previous, very extended conversations about the trinity and the humanity/divinity of Jesus may be about to resurface - but I’d like to ask Paul: what is the significance for yourself of affirming that prayer is only made to the Father and not to Jesus? What are the consequences which follow from making this distinction? I imagine, if the logic is followed through, you come to a very different kind of Christian faith from the historic variety. I’m not objecting to that; I’d just like to know!