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Am I sure that I am saved? By: Andrew (42 replies) 5 June, 2006 - 11:29
- God serves His purposes, not ours. By: bobcmu76 (15/08/2006 - 19:36)
- Am I saved? sacramental.. By: Len Hjalmarson (26/06/2006 - 18:00)
- Personal Salvation By: driz (28/06/2006 - 01:05)
- Perhaps the question of By: pastorerik (28/06/2006 - 01:21)
- discipleship By: samlcarr (27/06/2006 - 11:19)
- Personal Salvation By: driz (28/06/2006 - 01:05)
- How can I be sure that I'm sure? By: peter wilkinson (07/06/2006 - 13:23)
- communal path By: revslick (06/06/2006 - 22:34)
- LTJ By: pastorerik (06/06/2006 - 22:46)
- The Myth of Individualism By: pastorerik (06/06/2006 - 17:08)
- What is 'modern By: kingjames1 (06/06/2006 - 05:38)
- What is Modern..... By: Ken Cameron (22/07/2006 - 21:05)
- Ken, I'm not sure what By: andrew (22/07/2006 - 21:58)
- I'm not sure that I am... By: Ken Cameron (23/07/2006 - 22:48)
- Ken, I'm not sure what By: andrew (22/07/2006 - 21:58)
- kingjames, By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 00:49)
- Historically, in both By: Joel Richardson (07/06/2006 - 06:14)
- Joel,
even though there are By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 09:52)
- Gotcha. Are you saying By: Joel Richardson (07/06/2006 - 13:32)
- Joel, your reading of John By: andrew (07/06/2006 - 15:29)
- Well I never By: peter wilkinson (07/06/2006 - 18:22)
- If I May By: pastorerik (07/06/2006 - 19:02)
- weirdly different By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 19:23)
- So... By: pastorerik (07/06/2006 - 19:46)
- Pastorerik, I think I know By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 20:37)
- From the first page that By: Joel Richardson (07/06/2006 - 22:59)
- Joel,
I agree with you that By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 23:59)
- Paul,
Understood, although By: Joel Richardson (08/06/2006 - 02:37)
- Joel,
I might be wrong but By: paulchen (08/06/2006 - 23:01)
- Paul,Before I answer any By: Joel Richardson (09/06/2006 - 03:54)
- Joel, Please observe my By: paulchen (10/06/2006 - 13:28)
- sorry, Andrew By: paulchen (08/06/2006 - 23:03)
- Paul,Before I answer any By: Joel Richardson (09/06/2006 - 03:54)
- prayer to the Mother? By: Daniel D. Farmer (08/06/2006 - 05:21)
- Joel,
I might be wrong but By: paulchen (08/06/2006 - 23:01)
- Paul,
Understood, although By: Joel Richardson (08/06/2006 - 02:37)
- Joel,
I agree with you that By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 23:59)
- From the first page that By: Joel Richardson (07/06/2006 - 22:59)
- Pastorerik, I think I know By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 20:37)
- So... By: pastorerik (07/06/2006 - 19:46)
- weirdly different By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 19:23)
- Answered Prayers By: Makaden (07/06/2006 - 18:37)
- If I May By: pastorerik (07/06/2006 - 19:02)
- Well I never By: peter wilkinson (07/06/2006 - 18:22)
- Joel, your reading of John By: andrew (07/06/2006 - 15:29)
- Gotcha. Are you saying By: Joel Richardson (07/06/2006 - 13:32)
- What about the lens which By: andrew (07/06/2006 - 09:45)
- Joel,
even though there are By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 09:52)
- Historically, in both By: Joel Richardson (07/06/2006 - 06:14)
- kingjames strikes again By: Daniel D. Farmer (06/06/2006 - 15:38)
- What is Modern..... By: Ken Cameron (22/07/2006 - 21:08)
- Scary Pseudo-Christian Groupthink By: pastorerik (06/06/2006 - 17:28)
- What is Modern..... By: Ken Cameron (22/07/2006 - 21:05)
- The calling of love By: Daniel D. Farmer (05/06/2006 - 18:53)
- Pascal By: samlcarr (24/06/2006 - 13:31)
- Maybe a bit too evasive By: paula (05/06/2006 - 17:49)
- A personal relationship with Jesus By: andrew (06/06/2006 - 11:24)
- Personal relationship with Jesus By: Lee Wyatt (21/07/2006 - 18:02)
- New thread started By: andrew (22/07/2006 - 15:21)
- Personal relationship with Jesus By: Lee Wyatt (21/07/2006 - 18:02)
- A personal relationship with Jesus By: andrew (06/06/2006 - 11:24)
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I did not use those passages as proof of prayer to Jesus but rather to demonstrate the tremendous focus Paul had on his relationship with the resurrected, ascended Jesus - the living Jesus. If he enjoyed this relationship, in which Jesus spoke rather directly to him (e.g. his conversion on the Damascus road) then it stands to reason that Paul also conversed with Jesus.
I think you and I are viewing prayer rather differently. To me, Biblical prayer is conversing with God - not always asking him to do stuff. Since Jesus shares in the nature of God (1 Tim 3:16) I do not see why we cannot converse with him. He is so central to my faith as a Christian that I cannot imagine NOT conversing with him. I would hardly call my marriage a happy or successful one if I did not converse with my wife, thus how can I call my Christianity happy or successful if I do not converse with the one in whom I have placed my entire hope?
When I am asking God to work, to direct, etc, I direct those requests to the Father, because Jesus taught us to do so. I do so in Jesus’ name because my salvation and justification before the Father is through Him. In a sense, such petitioning (distinctly different from the disciple to teacher conversations) are to the Father through the Son by the Spirit.
But hey, I’m not trying to convince you that the way I see the Word is the way you should.