If I May
Am I sure that I am saved? By: Andrew (42 replies) 5 June, 2006 - 11:29
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- LTJ By: pastorerik (06/06/2006 - 22:46)
- The Myth of Individualism By: pastorerik (06/06/2006 - 17:08)
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- What is Modern..... By: Ken Cameron (22/07/2006 - 21:05)
- Ken, I'm not sure what By: andrew (22/07/2006 - 21:58)
- I'm not sure that I am... By: Ken Cameron (23/07/2006 - 22:48)
- Ken, I'm not sure what By: andrew (22/07/2006 - 21:58)
- kingjames, By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 00:49)
- Historically, in both By: Joel Richardson (07/06/2006 - 06:14)
- Joel,
even though there are By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 09:52)
- Gotcha. Are you saying By: Joel Richardson (07/06/2006 - 13:32)
- Joel, your reading of John By: andrew (07/06/2006 - 15:29)
- Well I never By: peter wilkinson (07/06/2006 - 18:22)
- If I May By: pastorerik (07/06/2006 - 19:02)
- weirdly different By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 19:23)
- So... By: pastorerik (07/06/2006 - 19:46)
- Pastorerik, I think I know By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 20:37)
- From the first page that By: Joel Richardson (07/06/2006 - 22:59)
- Joel,
I agree with you that By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 23:59)
- Paul,
Understood, although By: Joel Richardson (08/06/2006 - 02:37)
- Joel,
I might be wrong but By: paulchen (08/06/2006 - 23:01)
- Paul,Before I answer any By: Joel Richardson (09/06/2006 - 03:54)
- Joel, Please observe my By: paulchen (10/06/2006 - 13:28)
- sorry, Andrew By: paulchen (08/06/2006 - 23:03)
- Paul,Before I answer any By: Joel Richardson (09/06/2006 - 03:54)
- prayer to the Mother? By: Daniel D. Farmer (08/06/2006 - 05:21)
- Joel,
I might be wrong but By: paulchen (08/06/2006 - 23:01)
- Paul,
Understood, although By: Joel Richardson (08/06/2006 - 02:37)
- Joel,
I agree with you that By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 23:59)
- From the first page that By: Joel Richardson (07/06/2006 - 22:59)
- Pastorerik, I think I know By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 20:37)
- So... By: pastorerik (07/06/2006 - 19:46)
- weirdly different By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 19:23)
- Answered Prayers By: Makaden (07/06/2006 - 18:37)
- If I May By: pastorerik (07/06/2006 - 19:02)
- Well I never By: peter wilkinson (07/06/2006 - 18:22)
- Joel, your reading of John By: andrew (07/06/2006 - 15:29)
- Gotcha. Are you saying By: Joel Richardson (07/06/2006 - 13:32)
- What about the lens which By: andrew (07/06/2006 - 09:45)
- Joel,
even though there are By: paulchen (07/06/2006 - 09:52)
- Historically, in both By: Joel Richardson (07/06/2006 - 06:14)
- kingjames strikes again By: Daniel D. Farmer (06/06/2006 - 15:38)
- What is Modern..... By: Ken Cameron (22/07/2006 - 21:08)
- Scary Pseudo-Christian Groupthink By: pastorerik (06/06/2006 - 17:28)
- What is Modern..... By: Ken Cameron (22/07/2006 - 21:05)
- The calling of love By: Daniel D. Farmer (05/06/2006 - 18:53)
- Pascal By: samlcarr (24/06/2006 - 13:31)
- Maybe a bit too evasive By: paula (05/06/2006 - 17:49)
- A personal relationship with Jesus By: andrew (06/06/2006 - 11:24)
- Personal relationship with Jesus By: Lee Wyatt (21/07/2006 - 18:02)
- New thread started By: andrew (22/07/2006 - 15:21)
- Personal relationship with Jesus By: Lee Wyatt (21/07/2006 - 18:02)
- A personal relationship with Jesus By: andrew (06/06/2006 - 11:24)
If I May
I think this whole discussion is veering weirdly. The “mystery of divinity” in 1 Tim 3:16 indicates that Paul, and by extension the early church, believed that Jesus was God himself and that one must believe on him in the world. Reading Paul, one comes away with the impression that he very literally viewed his relationship with Jesus as one with the “living Christ.” As such, to speak to and with him would have been a natural mark of the relationship.
To pray to Jesus is to speak to him. He is, after all, the focus of CHRISTianity and the reality of his literal resurrection is the primary emphasis of the Christian teaching (1 Corinthians 15:1-19). If he is literally raised and literally ascended, as Paul clearly taught, then he is literally declared to be the Son of God, also as Paul taught (Romans 1:1-5) and through him we receive grace. As such, why WOULDN’T we converse with him?