kingjames,
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kingjames,
kingjames,
in your ‘Amen’ to Paula’s note you seem to defend the concept of ‘personal relationship with Jesus’. If you, as you prompt us, want us to be honest with Scripture then I would be interested in finding out where this idea of ‘relationship with Jesus’ is found there in such a central and crucial place as it is in evangelicalism if it is found at all.
I agree with you that postmodernity is not better than modernity in itself. However this doesn’t make modernity better than postmodernity either. What I think is helpful, though, is to ask from the standpoint of postmodernity what we might have missed out in modernity - and from the standpoint of modernity we can ask what we might overdue in postmodernity. Therefore postmodernity is not better - but helpful. Only living in modernity would not give you this vintage point; as much as living in postmodernity neither - but that far we are not yet anyways in my opinion.
Concerning what you say about Luther and Calvin - of course they were not modernists. As much as Jesus was not a christian. But Luther,Calvin, Melanchton and others were exactly the people that opened the way for enlightment and modernism, if you mean those with the ‘pre-Enlightenment theologians’. So yes; Calvin wasn’t a student of enlightment, but he might have well planted the seeds for it and therefore becoming one of its fathers.