Multiple levels of interpretation
Is Rome Babylon? By: Joel Richardson (34 replies) 27 May, 2006 - 02:46
- Rome is bigger than Rome By: pastorerik (27/05/2006 - 03:21)
- Thanks Eric,
I appreciate By: Joel Richardson (27/05/2006 - 06:02)
- Ezekiel 38-39 Finally By: pastorerik (30/05/2006 - 16:19)
- Whatever happened to Revelation 17:9-11? By: peter wilkinson (30/05/2006 - 20:52)
- So... By: pastorerik (31/05/2006 - 06:32)
- I don't know what to call By: Joel Richardson (31/05/2006 - 13:19)
- Re: I don't know what to call By: enarchay (05/08/2007 - 07:22)
- enarchay By: peter wilkinson (05/08/2007 - 08:35)
- Re: enarchay By: enarchay (05/08/2007 - 08:36)
- enarchay By: peter wilkinson (05/08/2007 - 08:35)
- Re: I don't know what to call By: enarchay (05/08/2007 - 07:22)
- I don't know what to call By: Joel Richardson (31/05/2006 - 13:19)
- This post was posted above, By: Joel Richardson (30/05/2006 - 21:19)
- So... By: pastorerik (31/05/2006 - 06:32)
- Whatever happened to Revelation 17:9-11? By: peter wilkinson (30/05/2006 - 20:52)
- Revelation 17:9-11 By: pastorerik (27/05/2006 - 17:47)
- Revelation 17:9-11 By: peter wilkinson (27/05/2006 - 22:14)
- Thanks Guys,Its By: Joel Richardson (28/05/2006 - 03:30)
- Is Rome Babylon? By: peter wilkinson (28/05/2006 - 09:18)
- I've lived in both Israel By: Joel Richardson (28/05/2006 - 14:51)
- Islam and Revelation 17 By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 00:11)
- Peter,
No convulsing By: Joel Richardson (29/05/2006 - 03:40)
- Interpretive convulsions By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 10:30)
- Peter,
Gotcha. First of By: Joel Richardson (29/05/2006 - 14:17)
- Gotcha By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 19:57)
- Peter,Sure. I fully By: Joel Richardson (30/05/2006 - 01:03)
- Gotcha By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 19:57)
- Peter,
Gotcha. First of By: Joel Richardson (29/05/2006 - 14:17)
- Interpretive convulsions By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 10:30)
- Peter,
No convulsing By: Joel Richardson (29/05/2006 - 03:40)
- Revelation 17:9-10 By: andrew (28/05/2006 - 20:58)
- ""The seven heads of the By: Joel Richardson (30/05/2006 - 04:30)
- The references appear to be By: andrew (30/05/2006 - 11:27)
- I've Got To Go with Andrew on this one... By: pastorerik (30/05/2006 - 16:31)
- Eric,Why do I suspect a By: Joel Richardson (01/06/2006 - 03:39)
- Me? No.... By: pastorerik (01/06/2006 - 03:45)
- Eric,Why do I suspect a By: Joel Richardson (01/06/2006 - 03:39)
- Andrew,
There is a relative By: Joel Richardson (30/05/2006 - 14:29)
- Multiple levels of interpretation By: andrew (30/05/2006 - 18:00)
- I've Got To Go with Andrew on this one... By: pastorerik (30/05/2006 - 16:31)
- The references appear to be By: andrew (30/05/2006 - 11:27)
- Thanks so much Andrew. I By: Joel Richardson (28/05/2006 - 22:26)
- The beast By: andrew (29/05/2006 - 11:36)
- Revelation 17:9-11 By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 13:35)
- Peter, I agree with a lot By: andrew (29/05/2006 - 16:11)
- Ghosties, goulies and long-legged beasties By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 21:17)
- Peter, I agree with a lot By: andrew (29/05/2006 - 16:11)
- Revelation 17:9-11 By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 13:35)
- The beast By: andrew (29/05/2006 - 11:36)
- ""The seven heads of the By: Joel Richardson (30/05/2006 - 04:30)
- Islam and Revelation 17 By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 00:11)
- I've lived in both Israel By: Joel Richardson (28/05/2006 - 14:51)
- Is Rome Babylon? By: peter wilkinson (28/05/2006 - 09:18)
- Thanks Guys,Its By: Joel Richardson (28/05/2006 - 03:30)
- Revelation 17:9-11 By: peter wilkinson (27/05/2006 - 22:14)
- Ezekiel 38-39 Finally By: pastorerik (30/05/2006 - 16:19)
- Thanks Eric,
I appreciate By: Joel Richardson (27/05/2006 - 06:02)
Multiple levels of interpretation
My problem with the argument that these texts in Revelation require a further level of fulfilment beyond the immediate historical context of the conflict with Rome is twofold.
First, I see nothing in the texts that necessitates this hermeneutical assumption. I do not hear John saying: This can be applied to Rome for now but actually there will be a bigger fulfilment of this prophecy in the remote future. What makes this multiple fulfilment argument a matter of exegesis and not mere speculation? I’m not persuaded by Peter’s argument that apocalyptic literature by its very nature invites multiple levels of interpretation in this way.
Secondly, it seems to me that in narrative terms the significance of the thousand year period is precisely that there will not be a repetition of the sort of challenge to Christ’s sovereignty that was represented by Roman imperialism. I made the point before (you appear not to have noticed it) that what John describes here is a unique (and therefore unrepeatable) victory over Caesar. This does not mean that the church cannot reuse the typology of the beast to describe later conflicts (cf. your allusion to Andrew of Caesarea), but I’m not sure that we can legitimately claim that this was part of the original meaning of Revelation.
I also questioned this before: where in Daniel do hills or mountains symbolize the kingdoms of the world (and not the kingdom of God)? You have in Isaiah and Micah the idea that the mountain of the Lord will be higher than the other hills, but this is a very different prophetic motif.
With regard to your comments about Victorinus: I don’t have a serious problem with a post AD 70 date for Revelation. I would rather think that the visions of judgment on Jerusalem are genuinely forward-looking rather than retrospective. I made the point earlier that Domitian was seen by some Roman authors as Nero redivivus.