Ezekiel 38-39 Finally
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- Thanks Eric,
I appreciate By: Joel Richardson (27/05/2006 - 06:02)
Ezekiel 38-39 Finally
I think we have gotten tied up in some kind of semantic argument that has distracted us from the intended purpose of the posts. Too many of us are trying to read current events (either 1st century or present day) into a text that was intentionally cryptic.
Here’s the deal. I view the Revelation as the completion of OT prophecy. As such, it MUST deal with the establishment of something bigger than the 1st century. As Joel has pointed out by his constant reference to Ezekiel 38-39, to interpret the Apocalypse in a narrow preterist light is to totally ignore the fact that it makes blatant reference to events prophecies centuries before which have not come to pass.
Consider the events of Ezekiel 38-39.
1. God will draw an invading armies composed of many nations, marked as the descendants of the sons of Noah (Japheth - Magog, Meschah, Tubal, Gomer, Togarmah; Ham - Cush, Put; Shem - Persia)
2. The invading army will attack all over the world and bring them into domination (Sheba and Dedan in Africa, Tarshish in Asia Minor)
3. Gog will lead an invading army into Israel, arousing YHWH’s anger
4. As Gog’s armies descend on Israel from the north, they will be destroyed through a divine intervention.
5. They will strike each other with their swords, and they will be weakened and die.
6. The people of Israel will use their weapons for firewood and the burial place of the army will choke up a valley - being renamed Hamon Gog (the hords of Gog).
7. It will take 7 months to bury the dead.
The entire reason for this invasion is a demonstration that although Israel went into exile, they are still YHWH’s chosen people. This is explained at the end of chapter 39:
I think I am safe in saying that nothing like this has occurred in history, pre-Roman or post-Roman. Therefore, I would have to say that the great battle of Revelation 20, which is clearly marked as the same event, has not yet occurred.
I know that I am probably reading this too literally for some of the participants in this discussion, but be that as it may, it seems pretty straightforward to me.