Peter, I agree with a lot
Is Rome Babylon? By: Joel Richardson (34 replies) 27 May, 2006 - 02:46
- Rome is bigger than Rome By: pastorerik (27/05/2006 - 03:21)
- Thanks Eric,
I appreciate By: Joel Richardson (27/05/2006 - 06:02)
- Ezekiel 38-39 Finally By: pastorerik (30/05/2006 - 16:19)
- Whatever happened to Revelation 17:9-11? By: peter wilkinson (30/05/2006 - 20:52)
- So... By: pastorerik (31/05/2006 - 06:32)
- I don't know what to call By: Joel Richardson (31/05/2006 - 13:19)
- Re: I don't know what to call By: enarchay (05/08/2007 - 07:22)
- enarchay By: peter wilkinson (05/08/2007 - 08:35)
- Re: enarchay By: enarchay (05/08/2007 - 08:36)
- enarchay By: peter wilkinson (05/08/2007 - 08:35)
- Re: I don't know what to call By: enarchay (05/08/2007 - 07:22)
- I don't know what to call By: Joel Richardson (31/05/2006 - 13:19)
- This post was posted above, By: Joel Richardson (30/05/2006 - 21:19)
- So... By: pastorerik (31/05/2006 - 06:32)
- Whatever happened to Revelation 17:9-11? By: peter wilkinson (30/05/2006 - 20:52)
- Revelation 17:9-11 By: pastorerik (27/05/2006 - 17:47)
- Revelation 17:9-11 By: peter wilkinson (27/05/2006 - 22:14)
- Thanks Guys,Its By: Joel Richardson (28/05/2006 - 03:30)
- Is Rome Babylon? By: peter wilkinson (28/05/2006 - 09:18)
- I've lived in both Israel By: Joel Richardson (28/05/2006 - 14:51)
- Islam and Revelation 17 By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 00:11)
- Peter,
No convulsing By: Joel Richardson (29/05/2006 - 03:40)
- Interpretive convulsions By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 10:30)
- Peter,
Gotcha. First of By: Joel Richardson (29/05/2006 - 14:17)
- Gotcha By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 19:57)
- Peter,Sure. I fully By: Joel Richardson (30/05/2006 - 01:03)
- Gotcha By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 19:57)
- Peter,
Gotcha. First of By: Joel Richardson (29/05/2006 - 14:17)
- Interpretive convulsions By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 10:30)
- Peter,
No convulsing By: Joel Richardson (29/05/2006 - 03:40)
- Revelation 17:9-10 By: andrew (28/05/2006 - 20:58)
- ""The seven heads of the By: Joel Richardson (30/05/2006 - 04:30)
- The references appear to be By: andrew (30/05/2006 - 11:27)
- I've Got To Go with Andrew on this one... By: pastorerik (30/05/2006 - 16:31)
- Eric,Why do I suspect a By: Joel Richardson (01/06/2006 - 03:39)
- Me? No.... By: pastorerik (01/06/2006 - 03:45)
- Eric,Why do I suspect a By: Joel Richardson (01/06/2006 - 03:39)
- Andrew,
There is a relative By: Joel Richardson (30/05/2006 - 14:29)
- Multiple levels of interpretation By: andrew (30/05/2006 - 18:00)
- I've Got To Go with Andrew on this one... By: pastorerik (30/05/2006 - 16:31)
- The references appear to be By: andrew (30/05/2006 - 11:27)
- Thanks so much Andrew. I By: Joel Richardson (28/05/2006 - 22:26)
- The beast By: andrew (29/05/2006 - 11:36)
- Revelation 17:9-11 By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 13:35)
- Peter, I agree with a lot By: andrew (29/05/2006 - 16:11)
- Ghosties, goulies and long-legged beasties By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 21:17)
- Peter, I agree with a lot By: andrew (29/05/2006 - 16:11)
- Revelation 17:9-11 By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 13:35)
- The beast By: andrew (29/05/2006 - 11:36)
- ""The seven heads of the By: Joel Richardson (30/05/2006 - 04:30)
- Islam and Revelation 17 By: peter wilkinson (29/05/2006 - 00:11)
- I've lived in both Israel By: Joel Richardson (28/05/2006 - 14:51)
- Is Rome Babylon? By: peter wilkinson (28/05/2006 - 09:18)
- Thanks Guys,Its By: Joel Richardson (28/05/2006 - 03:30)
- Revelation 17:9-11 By: peter wilkinson (27/05/2006 - 22:14)
- Ezekiel 38-39 Finally By: pastorerik (30/05/2006 - 16:19)
- Thanks Eric,
I appreciate By: Joel Richardson (27/05/2006 - 06:02)
Peter, I agree with a lot
Peter, I agree with a lot of this. I think there is still a question, however, over whether the apocalyptic language of Revelation intrinsically invites re-application beyond the context of the conflict between Christ and Caesar. The fact that from our much later perspective we are capable of reading the imagery typologically (with reference to subsequent conflicts) does not necessarily mean that the author of Revelation expected his words to be re-interpreted in this way.
It also seems to me that the thousand year period, culminating in final justice and the renewal of creation, effectively precludes a repetition of the crisis. Satan is constrained and no longer able to challenge the lordship of Christ. This is potentially a really important point: to suggest that the typology of the beast might be repeated would mean that the sovereignty of Christ described in Revelation 19 is each time brought into question. The church may face similar persecutions at a later stage, but the reign of God does not need to be re-established each time.
Wouldn’t it be better to say, then, that John wrote about the situation of the church in the early centuries, but that we may borrow his imagery - and in a sense deliberately misuse it - to give expression to the hope of the church facing persecution and oppression in later periods? In this way we don’t attempt to make Revelation speak authoritatively about situations that lie beyond its prophetic horizon. Rather as a Spirit-filled people we exercise our own prophetic authority to affirm hope through the language of scripture - just as the Bible itself reuses the exodus motif to describe subsequent liberations.