Re: The Virgin Birth dilemma
The Virgin Birth dilemma By: NinjaHound (47 replies) 20 March, 2006 - 02:42
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Re: The Virgin Birth dilemma
Why do you see the virgin birth as so important? If it didn’t happen, so what. We don’t have any records of Jesus talking about it, so why does it matter? It didn’t seem to be part of his message. I think most Christians today have thrown out this and other ancient myths without throwing out the importance of Jesus.
Let me make your case even easier. Instead of trying to create a web of logic to prove the VB didn’t happen, you can just say that it didn’t happen because that isn’t how God made the world work. Why would anyone expect God to break the rules he created? It seems more miraculous that God would send his message using the constructs of the world he made. To me, Jesus is more believable as a man instead of as something out of a sci-fi movie. Rather than always trying to look for the "supernatural" to prove God exists wouldn’t it make more sense to just accept that stories like this were created to add weight to Jesus’ message? It makes sense to me, and it doesn’t change his message. I also still love the stories and myths because they show how important Jesus was to his followers. No body ever created a myth about me, because I’ve never said anything worth preserving for centuries. Jesus on the other hand did. The myths were crucial to the preservation of his message.
All these doctrines about Jesus’ divinity detract from the importance of his message today even though originally they were created to add to the importance of his message. Keeping these beliefs around force Christianity to the same level as cults and ancient pagan religions. I was thinking about this while I was in church yesterday. All of the songs and the sermon were about the myths of Jesus, but none of them were about his message. It is horrible that we focus more on the proof of Jesus rather than the man himself.
I’m going to start an experiment. I’m going to keep score in church for the next month (probably a bad time because it is easter season) and count the number of references to Jesus’ legend or myths as compared to references to anything he said.