Re: The serpent was really Adam - demons
Revelation 12 | Marian Significance By: Ivan Latham (68 replies) 22 January, 2005 - 08:18
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Re: The serpent was really Adam - demons
Yet both Mark and Luke tell us Jesus would not allow the demons to speak ‘because they knew that he was the Christ’. I really don’t think think these writers shared your emergent theology that demons were simply impersonal curses.
Actually there are quite a few that deal with their fall or their sin and judgment. We have Revelation 12 which deal with Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven. You have provided no evidence for your claim that heaven should be treated metaphorically. Paul’s reference to battle in the heavenly places is given in contrast to ‘flesh and blood’ and you have shown no reason why Paul or his Ephesian readers should interpret heavenly places as the temple cultus. It run counter to the plain meaning of the text.
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day.
Ezekiel refers to a guardian cherub being cast from Eden the mountain of God to the ground.
There is no reason to understand the battle as happening in heaven, though a battle between angels will certainly be a spiritual one. If the angel who spoke to Daniel was an angel as you seem to agree, how could a human prince of Persia hold him up for three weeks?
What is the basis for you claim that Michael was Christ?
Deacon