Israel's self-understanding
My (tentative) beliefs By: Andrew (39 replies) 20 February, 2004 - 20:19
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: larry91403 (07/01/2006 - 21:57)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: andrew (08/01/2006 - 00:00)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: john (10/01/2006 - 10:53)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: andrew (11/01/2006 - 01:37)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: john (11/01/2006 - 14:07)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: larry91403 (11/01/2006 - 23:41)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: larry91403 (11/01/2006 - 23:38)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: larry91403 (11/01/2006 - 01:58)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: john (11/01/2006 - 13:31)
- righteousness By: peter wilkinson (11/01/2006 - 14:22)
- right all along? By: john (11/01/2006 - 15:32)
- Wright all along By: peter wilkinson (11/01/2006 - 16:19)
- coming right along By: john (11/01/2006 - 16:38)
- Re: coming right along By: peter wilkinson (11/01/2006 - 17:06)
- coming right along By: john (11/01/2006 - 16:38)
- Wright all along By: peter wilkinson (11/01/2006 - 16:19)
- right all along? By: john (11/01/2006 - 15:32)
- righteousness By: peter wilkinson (11/01/2006 - 14:22)
- Israel's self-understanding By: andrew (11/01/2006 - 13:02)
- Re: Israel's self-understanding By: larry91403 (11/01/2006 - 23:26)
- Re: Israel's self-understanding By: andrew (12/01/2006 - 02:02)
- Re: Israel's self-understanding By: larry91403 (11/01/2006 - 23:26)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: john (11/01/2006 - 13:31)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: john (11/01/2006 - 14:07)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: larry91403 (10/01/2006 - 22:09)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: andrew (11/01/2006 - 01:37)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: larry91403 (08/01/2006 - 11:03)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: andrew (08/01/2006 - 22:41)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: larry91403 (10/01/2006 - 02:51)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: andrew (08/01/2006 - 22:41)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: john (10/01/2006 - 10:53)
- Re: My (tentative) beliefs By: andrew (08/01/2006 - 00:00)
- What is the role of the Creed? By: sbryan (07/03/2005 - 01:23)
- Even postmoderns feel the need for creed By: grifgraf (05/05/2005 - 23:59)
- I am interested in your ident By: Chris (06/05/2005 - 01:38)
- Are we talking about philanthropy or being the Church? By: grifgraf (06/05/2005 - 09:36)
- Re: Are we talking about philanthropy or being the Church? By: larry91403 (10/01/2006 - 02:55)
- something or someone By: john (09/05/2005 - 11:39)
- Whether or not we "want& By: sbryan (06/05/2005 - 17:34)
- quality and practise By: john (06/05/2005 - 18:04)
- Quailty Control..? By: sbryan (07/05/2005 - 03:37)
- accusations and accomodations By: john (09/05/2005 - 08:52)
- Quailty Control..? By: sbryan (07/05/2005 - 03:37)
- quality and practise By: john (06/05/2005 - 18:04)
- Are we talking about philanthropy or being the Church? By: grifgraf (06/05/2005 - 09:36)
- Do we need the same creed to work together? I don't think so... By: (06/05/2005 - 01:06)
- Orthodoxy, orthopraxy and creed By: mars-hill (20/05/2005 - 03:08)
- I am interested in your ident By: Chris (06/05/2005 - 01:38)
- Even postmoderns feel the need for creed By: grifgraf (05/05/2005 - 23:59)
- The failure of Israel By: (09/08/2004 - 13:16)
- Narrative Creed By: (09/03/2004 - 22:29)
- Grounding the Ongoing Story By: (26/04/2004 - 18:38)
- hey, Andrew. That's superb. By: (22/02/2004 - 22:53)
- How many New Heavens and Earths? By: (23/02/2004 - 22:48)
- aye By: (22/02/2004 - 05:52)
Israel's self-understanding
No, there was nothing exceptional about the experience as such. But the prophetic tradition in Israel consistently interpreted the historical experience, especially national catastrophe, as divine judgment. Jesus continued this interpretive tradition: he warned those who had responsibility for the spiritual condition of the nation that unless they repented, Jerusalem and its temple would be destroyed. In other words, there is a prophetic-narrative framework to Israel’s situation in the first century that sets it apart from, say, the experience of other nations under Roman occupation.
Yes, inasmuch as Israel believed itself to have a special calling from God to live according to the terms of the covenant with Moses. Ultimately, being under threat from Rome was understood - at least by a certain prophetic stream within Jewish belief - to be a consequence of the failure of Israel to keep the covenant. Again, the issue here is not the general one of human existence (‘the imperfection of mankind’) but the particular one of Israel’s self-understanding as a ‘chosen people’ - which, of course, raises a whole different set of issues, not least the following:
In general terms I suppose it’s fair to say that you do not have to be ‘God-centred’ to be righteous. But we are not talking in general terms here. The Bible defines ‘righteousness’ for the covenant people (whether we are talking about the old or the new covenant) as fundamentally ‘God-centred’. The community that is ‘in Christ’ inherits the obligation both to love God and to love our neighbours. That is what it means to be the ‘people of God’ in a biblical sense. Of course, if we move outside the biblical framework, we are free to define righteousness in other ways.