Let me apologize for a misundrstanding, I was not saying that Gays cannot be included in a dialogue about homosexuality, certainly they can. I was trying to say in determining whether or not it is right it is uneccesary.

Also Danutz you ask your last question as if being attracted to the same sex is as natural and as an everyday occurence as being attracted to the opposite sex. I know of attractive men in that they are nice looking people, but sexually no.