Two Things
Homosexuality and new creation By: Andrew (54 replies) 4 April, 2005 - 12:40
- Re: Homosexuality and new creation By: drew27 (10/08/2009 - 08:13)
- Re: Homosexuality and new creation By: Andrew (10/08/2009 - 10:18)
- Re: Homosexuality and new creation By: Jacob (17/05/2007 - 16:01)
- What's the deal? By: sbryan (07/05/2005 - 03:51)
- what grounds a sexual ethic? By: (10/07/2005 - 09:12)
- By way of an apology By: Ivan Latham (05/05/2005 - 02:33)
- Another apology By: paulhartigan (05/05/2005 - 03:01)
- But isn't the message of the Gospel that we CAN change? By: grifgraf (06/05/2005 - 10:15)
- Where there's smoke there's fire By: erlenmeyer71 (06/05/2005 - 16:39)
- Smoking was just an example By: grifgraf (06/05/2005 - 19:21)
- The gospel and gay people By: peter wilkinson (06/05/2005 - 12:42)
- Breaking the bonds of sin is hard By: grifgraf (06/05/2005 - 19:12)
- On breaking the bonds of sin By: paulhartigan (06/05/2005 - 21:59)
- Breaking the bonds of sin is hard By: grifgraf (06/05/2005 - 19:12)
- Where there's smoke there's fire By: erlenmeyer71 (06/05/2005 - 16:39)
- But isn't the message of the Gospel that we CAN change? By: grifgraf (06/05/2005 - 10:15)
- Another apology By: paulhartigan (05/05/2005 - 03:01)
- A Corruption of real love By: Ivan Latham (19/04/2005 - 02:27)
- Unnatural sexual fulfillment By: erlenmeyer71 (19/04/2005 - 16:33)
- Problematic By: sbryan (19/04/2005 - 19:37)
- Yes, and to be blunt By: erlenmeyer71 (19/04/2005 - 20:08)
- Problematic By: sbryan (19/04/2005 - 19:37)
- Love By: sbryan (19/04/2005 - 03:35)
- Born that way = Original Sin By: Ivan Latham (19/04/2005 - 07:08)
- Ivan Latham's statements about homosexuals By: (20/04/2005 - 21:04)
- Regarding Ivan. By: Alario (27/04/2005 - 00:30)
- Regarding Ivan By: paulhartigan (27/04/2005 - 03:05)
- Has anyone seen . . . ? By: peter wilkinson (27/04/2005 - 12:02)
- Regarding Ivan By: paulhartigan (27/04/2005 - 03:05)
- Let's tolerate the intolerant, too By: Chris (21/04/2005 - 14:00)
- You bring up a point I mentioned earlier to Ivan By: (20/04/2005 - 22:26)
- Treating other human beings with respect. By: paulhartigan (21/04/2005 - 04:00)
- Reason, Scripture, and Church Tradition By: sbryan (21/04/2005 - 00:49)
- Hence my suggestion By: erlenmeyer71 (21/04/2005 - 02:53)
- Regarding Ivan. By: Alario (27/04/2005 - 00:30)
- Ivan Latham's statements about homosexuals By: (20/04/2005 - 21:04)
- Born that way = Original Sin By: Ivan Latham (19/04/2005 - 07:08)
- Unnatural sexual fulfillment By: erlenmeyer71 (19/04/2005 - 16:33)
- Keep up the good work, Rob By: Ivan Latham (18/04/2005 - 20:31)
- Two Things By: 1beggar (11/04/2005 - 14:48)
- When you get right down to By: (15/04/2005 - 04:15)
- 1 Cor.10:13 By: (15/04/2005 - 10:54)
- not so much a question of degree By: Rob J. Caskey (16/04/2005 - 05:13)
- God-substitutes By: erlenmeyer71 (18/04/2005 - 18:45)
- Addressing the questions By: paulhartigan (16/04/2005 - 09:40)
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1-1. I believe scripture i By: Rob J. Caskey (19/04/2005 - 00:35)
- Marriage as service By: erlenmeyer71 (19/04/2005 - 16:29)
- Still not sure what you're getting at here By: andrew (19/04/2005 - 01:05)
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1-1. I believe scripture i By: Rob J. Caskey (19/04/2005 - 00:35)
- not so much a question of degree By: Rob J. Caskey (16/04/2005 - 05:13)
- 1 Cor.10:13 By: (15/04/2005 - 10:54)
- Humility on Both Sides By: sbryan (11/04/2005 - 16:57)
- overstatement By: 1beggar (11/04/2005 - 17:45)
- When you get right down to By: (15/04/2005 - 04:15)
- Inneresting tid-bit ... possible implications... By: Whitewave (08/04/2005 - 20:17)
- Homosexuality and the authority of the bible By: paulhartigan (05/04/2005 - 02:16)
- Shame, scripture and sex in heaven By: andrew (05/04/2005 - 15:32)
- Revisonist insights By: peter wilkinson (04/04/2005 - 19:46)
- Sin and semantics By: andrew (05/04/2005 - 15:21)
- Why always men? By: sbryan (06/04/2005 - 14:39)
- Why men? By: andrew (06/04/2005 - 15:46)
- Why men (continued)? By: peter wilkinson (06/04/2005 - 16:46)
- What were the women up to? By: (06/04/2005 - 18:27)
- This is exactly what I mean By: sbryan (07/04/2005 - 01:12)
- Immoderate indulgence? By: andrew (07/04/2005 - 10:34)
- Act and Attitude By: sbryan (07/04/2005 - 19:04)
- Genesis 38:9 By: erlenmeyer71 (07/04/2005 - 04:14)
- Thanks for the reminder. I wa By: sbryan (07/04/2005 - 04:53)
- Immoderate indulgence? By: andrew (07/04/2005 - 10:34)
- This is exactly what I mean By: sbryan (07/04/2005 - 01:12)
- What were the women up to? By: (06/04/2005 - 18:27)
- Why men (continued)? By: peter wilkinson (06/04/2005 - 16:46)
- Why men? By: andrew (06/04/2005 - 15:46)
- Why always men? By: sbryan (06/04/2005 - 14:39)
- Sin and semantics By: andrew (05/04/2005 - 15:21)
Two Things
I have been reading these posts with great interest, and have been challenged about a number of things I have long held to be true. Not convinced or convicted, but certainly given a new perspective. By way of introduction & explanation, let me say that I am fairly conservative and traditional theologically, though I am open to new ways of looking at things. I have found that the number of times I have been wrong about things in the past have greatly enhanced my humility and certainty about things. I also have become aware that the church has treated homosexual Christians (and non-Christians, for that matter) very poorly and un-Christ-like. That said, I think that is red herring in this particular discussion. So here are the two things I have been grappling with.
First: It seems to me that while many conservative traditionalists are at least willing to engage over these difficult issues with humility (such as but not limited to homosexuality), liberals are rarely willing to enter in with the same humility. That is to say, anything that hints at a rejection of homosexual behavior, or even a suggests that homosexuality is less than God’s ideal, is rejected out of hand. This makes it very difficult to have a meaningful discussion on matters such as this.
Second: And I think this ties to the first. There seems to be a fear that if a rejection of homosexuality is arrived at (there’s got to be a better way to say that), we will be condemning those wrestling with it into a living hell. But if that is so, what do we make of verses such as 1 Cor 10:13? "No temptation has seized you except that which is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it."
Any feedback on this would be most helpful to me.