This is a very personal issue, and as such can provoke emotional responses. I don’t think the line has been crossed yet, but I can see it from where I’m standing — let’s make sure we try our best to keep the discussions at the idea level.

I agree with Ivan that sbryan’s definition of “love” is a bit untethered, and needs some firmer biblical foundation. Coming to the conclusion that “Paul got it wrong” puts one in a very precarious position of judging the truthfulness of God’s Word. By what standard shall we do this?

I also agree with sbryan that Ivan’s arguments are not particularly well-supported.

Paul did speak out against prostitution. Yet he also spoke very favorably concerning celibacy for all who could bear it. This is just as much against nature and creation ordinance, as it too condemns our species to extinction (in theory), and let me remind all of us that it was Adam and Eve, not Adam. It is not good for the man to be alone, God says. And yet Paul calls it a spiritual gift!! Go figure. Since Ivan’s arguments against homosexuality apply, as far as I can tell, equally well to celibacy, perhaps he unwittingly finds himself finding fault with Paul as well.

Not to mention that a good portion of what happens in the bedroom between my wife and I serves no procreational purpose. Especially in light of the birth control… but I digress. I plead the Song of Solomon in my defense.