This morning, I made a resolution not to flick to the website - this afternoon, I’m obviously in need of therapy. Anyway, just to correct any misconception: my point made to Alario was not to denigrate any task, no matter how small or insignificant it might seem amongst God’s people. I cannot see anywhere where I or anyone have encouraged women or anyone else to desire the ‘one position that is being debated on this thread’. On the contrary, I am encouraging anyone to question whether any position, including the flower arranging, creche rota or happy hour, is ‘off-limits’ for them. That goes for male or female - but since female leadership seems to be the primary area that is ‘off limits’ for some, it naturally attracts enquiry.

Your responses to my comments were somewhat selective Alario, and either there is some hidden quirk of Greek grammar that the translators have failed to convey - or Euodia & Syntyche were those who not simply served, but contended alongside Paul for the gospel. I suggest that these ladies were very significant people indeed in the Philippian set up.

But maybe website conversation is really a game - to see whether we can pick holes in each other’s arguments, rather than say what we really think. Maybe I’m imagining that there are people out there to whom these things really matter. Maybe this is just another example of the Truman show after all.

BTW - ordination: why only to ‘leadership’? Why not to the creche rota and flower arranging - and the happy hour membership?