The problem of 'versus'
A committed monogamous homosexual versus a slave owner By: paulhartigan (45 replies) 6 March, 2005 - 21:02
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- Taking experience seriously By: Lawrence (30/06/2005 - 23:21)
- Re: Taking experience seriously By: Cilionelle (25/03/2006 - 19:11)
- Inconsistency of the condemnation of homosexuality By: paulhartigan (01/07/2005 - 09:29)
- Notwithstanding, the Word of God remains the same By: Soldier3001 (05/07/2005 - 16:45)
- I'm not ignoring your recent By: Ivan Latham (03/04/2005 - 05:04)
- Bait and switch, red herring By: Soldier3001 (29/06/2005 - 21:09)
- ahhh, sweet grey By: mars-hill (30/06/2005 - 03:15)
- Bait and switch, red herring By: Soldier3001 (29/06/2005 - 21:09)
- Even worse, they're re-crucifying Christ By: (02/04/2005 - 02:04)
- Adam and Eve By: paynedaniel (29/06/2005 - 05:37)
- I am astounded at the level o By: sbryan (02/04/2005 - 02:36)
- I doubt Ivan and SBryan By: erlenmeyer71 (02/04/2005 - 03:43)
- I agree. I hope this doesn't By: sbryan (02/04/2005 - 04:39)
- I doubt Ivan and SBryan By: erlenmeyer71 (02/04/2005 - 03:43)
- A wedge By: Spiritboi (12/03/2005 - 23:33)
- sexual idolatry By: 1beggar (13/03/2005 - 01:27)
- "homosexual relationships" By: paynedaniel (29/06/2005 - 04:28)
- sexual idolatry By: guest (27/03/2005 - 19:18)
- the place of homosexuality in the faith By: guest (28/03/2005 - 14:44)
- sexual idolatry By: 1beggar (13/03/2005 - 01:27)
- Slavery and Self Control. By: Alario (08/03/2005 - 02:19)
- Gays are not madder or badder than anybody else By: paulhartigan (25/03/2005 - 06:38)
- Sodomising the Body of Christ By: (01/04/2005 - 17:37)
- The word "Sodom" By: paynedaniel (29/06/2005 - 04:24)
- Bringing it down a notch By: erlenmeyer71 (01/04/2005 - 22:56)
- Prostitution = Homosexuality? I'm not convinced. By: sbryan (02/04/2005 - 01:17)
- A Hateful Subject Line By: sbryan (01/04/2005 - 17:50)
- Full disclosure By: erlenmeyer71 (28/03/2005 - 16:13)
- Sodomising the Body of Christ By: (01/04/2005 - 17:37)
- "What do the scriptures say?" By: sbryan (08/03/2005 - 07:04)
- Theology of Love By: asserhed (08/03/2005 - 10:07)
- Gays are not madder or badder than anybody else By: paulhartigan (25/03/2005 - 06:38)
- Paul, homosexuality and slavery By: peter wilkinson (07/03/2005 - 10:46)
- Gays in the congregation By: erlenmeyer71 (08/03/2005 - 17:26)
- Second Temple Homosexuality? By: ericboehmer (08/03/2005 - 17:09)
- Plato? By: lancebrisbois (28/06/2006 - 04:11)
- Where "from Plato" do we see By: sbryan (09/03/2005 - 20:04)
- Plato's Symposium By: ericboehmer (09/03/2005 - 20:18)
- Contrary to the Symposium Quote By: Eonasdan (05/08/2005 - 20:36)
- Now, in order to conclude tha By: sbryan (10/03/2005 - 00:54)
- Homosexuality vs. Gay People By: ericboehmer (10/03/2005 - 01:21)
- Plato's Symposium By: ericboehmer (09/03/2005 - 20:18)
- The problem of 'versus' By: asserhed (07/03/2005 - 10:40)
- Paul and social justice By: erlenmeyer71 (06/03/2005 - 23:47)
- Paul spoke from his matrix By: kiwimac (29/06/2005 - 09:02)
The problem of 'versus'
Paul
Just some thoughts:
The apostle Paul writes letters to churches and answers specific questions and give general (apostolic) advice to the churches in mind. What he does and does not speak speak about says something about the culture the Jesus Movement developed in and also about the Jesus Movement the culture was challanged by.
So why did he chose to bring up the questions of homosexuality and fornication and slavery and children and all those othe issues? Because they were important to deal with in the addressed church.
All this I guess was imortant and in many cases are important to us, since our culures emerge in the same fallen creation and share most of the issues.
Still I can wish he would have said more about social injustice and explicitly cendemned cruisades beforehand and so on.
But hey, is’nt that our task?
To be in slavery is undoubtly a condition no human beeing is worthy of. I guess that is wh its strictly regaulated in the Mosaic Law. And Paul never defends the Roman societys system of slavery. Still it was at the apostles time not the same thing as what we sometimes refer to: milions of black people in chains, treated like dogs.
Thats an interesting question:
“Is Paul wrong about both?”
My humble answer would be that the ‘versus’ is the problem. The fact that Paul never deals with the systematic problem (sin) of having people working in your home and in your company for a low sallary on a long term contract under your athority is one thing. You just cant ‘own’ people. (I say as 21th cenury western).
Men sleaping with men is another thing. One just cant compare. Pears an apples. Paul did not make that list of more or less sinfull things.
So if I still would want to answer your question I would say: neither.